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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C8D5CCD.3050208@mandrakesoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203111638290.26250-100000@home.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:

>The only common factor here is the "synchronize with other requests" - I
>feel strongly (much more strongly than any parsing notion) that the raw
>requests have to be passed down the "struct request" and NOT be done the
>way they are traditionally done (ie completely outside the request stream,
>with no synchronization at all with any IO currently in progress).
>
agreed

>>I think "future new commands" is total FUD, the idea that some new command
>>would come along and be so instantly popular, useful and incompatible that
>>all Linux boxes would require it before the next kernel or driver update
>>is silly at best, and I'm working hard to keep this on a civil plane.
>>
>
>It has nothing to do with "new" commands, and everything to do with
>"random vendor-specific commands and the vendor-specific tools". Commands
>that simply should _never_ be parsed in the kernel, because we do not want
>to care about 10 different vendors 10 different revisions of their
>firmware having 10 different small random special commands for that
>particular drive.
>
>In particular, a user that upgrades his hardware should never _ever_ have
>to upgrade his kernel just because some random disk diagnostic tool needs
>support for a disk that is new and has new diagnostics.
>
Are such random vendor-specific commands really that common?

Linus, would it be acceptable to you to include an -optional- filter for 
ATA commands?  There is definitely a segment of users that would like to 
firewall their devices, and I think (as crazy as it may sound) that 
notion is a valid one.

    Jeff






  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-12  1:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-11 15:13 [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 16:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-11 20:49   ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-11 22:45     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-11 22:39       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 22:45         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 22:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  0:14             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  0:34               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  0:58                 ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  1:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  1:41                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  1:50                       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-11 18:50                         ` gmack
2002-03-12  2:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:34                           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12 11:21                             ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  2:54                           ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  6:32                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-14 15:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13 18:42                         ` Horst von Brand
2002-03-13 19:11                           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-12  6:25                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12  7:13                   ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12 16:40                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  0:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  1:41                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-03-12  1:44                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:22                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  2:33                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  2:37                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  3:34                           ` Olivier Galibert
2002-03-12  4:13                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-14 14:13                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-15 11:05                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-18 19:20                                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-19  9:29                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-19 21:21                                       ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-19 21:56                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-20  8:00                                           ` Daniela Engert
2002-03-20 18:11                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-20 18:46                                               ` Daniela Engert
2002-03-20 22:15                                             ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-20 23:09                                               ` Daniel Kobras
2002-03-19 22:33                                         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-03-20  0:25                                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15 14:45                                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12 11:23                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  2:50                       ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  3:10                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  3:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  3:46                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  6:10                               ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  3:58                             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  4:26                               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  4:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  6:26                                 ` J. Dow
2002-03-12 11:44                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  4:31                               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12  5:05                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  5:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:39                                 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  4:49                               ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  5:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:36                               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  6:05                             ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  4:41                           ` Erik Andersen
2002-03-12  4:48                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12  6:30                               ` J. Dow
2002-03-12  6:29                             ` J. Dow
2002-03-12 16:36                             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12  2:57                   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  2:49                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-12 11:17                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-13  8:14                       ` ide filters / 'ide dump' / 'bio dump' bert hubert
2002-03-13 10:11                         ` Jeff Garzik
2002-03-13 12:05                           ` Malcolm Beattie
2002-03-13 17:17                           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-12 11:10                   ` [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12  0:33                     ` benh
2002-03-12 20:21                   ` Gunther Mayer
2002-03-12 16:33                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12 11:00           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 15:59             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:11               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:21                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:26                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:33                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:41                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-13  0:01                         ` Russell King
2002-03-12 16:43                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:50                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:58                           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-14 14:02                           ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-15 11:13                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-18 19:21                               ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-12 16:44                   ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-13 19:43                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-12 16:17               ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 16:27                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 16:32                   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-03-12 20:00             ` [patch] PIIX driver rewrite Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 20:35               ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-12 20:34                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-12 21:07                   ` Sebastian Droege
2002-03-12 21:19                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-03-11 23:01         ` [patch] My AMD IDE driver, v2.7 Alan Cox

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