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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: page_add/remove_rmap costs
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:15:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D3F0ACE.D4195BF@zip.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207241319550.3086-100000@imladris.surriel.com

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> ...
> > It is interesting to note that the length of the pte_chain is not a big
> > factor in all of this.  So changing the singly-linked list to something
> > else probably won't help much.
> 
> This is more disturbing ... ;)

Well yes.  It may well indicate that my test is mostly LIFO
on the pte chains.  So FIFO workloads would be worse.

> > My gut feel here is that this will be hard to tweak - some algorithmic
> > change will be needed.
> >
> > The pte_chains are doing precisely zilch but chew CPU cycles with this
> > workload.  The machine has 2G of memory free.  The rmap is pure overhead.
> >
> > Would it be possible to not build the pte_chain _at all_ until it is
> > actually needed?  Do it lazily?  So in the page reclaim code, if the
> > page has no rmap chain we go off and build it then?  This would require
> > something like a pfn->pte lookup function at the vma level, and a
> > page->vmas_which_own_me lookup.
> 
> > Then again, if the per-vma pfn->pte lookup is feasible, we may not need
> > the pte_chain at all...
> 
> It is feasible, both davem and bcrl made code to this effect. The
> only problem with that code is that it gets ugly quick after mremap.

So.. who's going to do it?

It's early days yet - although this looks bad on benchmarks we really
need a better understanding of _why_ it's so bad, and of whether it
really matters for real workloads.

For example: given that copy_page_range performs atomic ops against
page->count, how come page_add_rmap()'s atomic op against page->flags
is more of a problem?
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-24 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-24  6:33 page_add/remove_rmap costs Andrew Morton
2002-07-24  6:48 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-24 16:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-24 20:15   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2002-07-24 20:21     ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-24 20:28       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  2:35         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25  3:08     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  3:14       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-07-25  4:21       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  2:45   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  4:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:14   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  5:15     ` John Levon
2002-07-25  5:30       ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:47       ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  5:42         ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-07-25  5:59           ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-25  7:09   ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-26  7:33 ` Daniel Phillips

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