From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6] The List, pass #2
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:33:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D49006C.12ABC6FC@aitel.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44.0207311500210.1038-100000@dlang.diginsite.com
David Lang wrote:
>
> > > o Remove all hardwired drivers from kernel
> >
> > I really hope this means drivers MAY be used as modules, not MUST. There
> > is some overhead in doing things as modules, and added complexity usually
> > means "harder to debug." Particularly with modules where there can be
> > corner conditions and races on [un]load.
>
> Bill,
> Several people (IIRC including Alan Cox) would like to make many of the
> modules (network cards and scsi drivers for example) mandatory, requiring
> use of an initrd (or it's replacement) on all boot setups.
As far as I know, they plan on doing things like
disk partition detection outside the kernel, i.e. in
a userspace program. That clearly require
a initrd (or similiar) for anybody with root
on a partitioned disk.
Lots of other bootup initialization, like DHCP,
might move to userspace as well. This gives a smaller
and safer kernel.
I cannot see this requiring modules though. Even a
kernel without any module support at all should
work fine for those who compile their own.
Redhat and other distributors may be interested in
shipping a completely modular kernel that
loads modules from that initrd, but that certainly
won't be a _requirement_ for all kernels.
Helge Hafting
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-08-01 9:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-07-19 4:47 [2.6] The List, pass #2 Guillaume Boissiere
2002-07-19 5:08 ` Karim Yaghmour
2002-07-19 12:41 ` mbs
2002-07-19 13:16 ` jlnance
2002-07-20 7:28 ` Bruce Harada
2002-07-28 10:47 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-07-31 17:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 17:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 18:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-31 20:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-07-31 20:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-31 20:34 ` Trond Myklebust
2002-08-01 0:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-31 23:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-08-01 9:33 ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 15:39 ` J. Bruce Fields
2002-07-31 22:04 ` David Lang
2002-08-01 9:33 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2002-08-03 3:40 ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-08 9:02 ` Helge Hafting
2002-08-13 3:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-13 5:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-08-01 0:34 ` Neil Brown
2002-08-01 1:56 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01 2:30 ` Roland Dreier
2002-08-01 3:25 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-01 4:05 ` Roland Dreier
2002-08-01 5:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-08-01 6:10 ` Austin Gonyou
2002-08-05 7:29 ` Rob Landley
2002-08-01 18:45 ` Ben Greear
2002-08-01 14:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-09 2:30 ` Alan Cox
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2002-08-07 17:11 Matt_Domsch
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