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From: Marcin Dalecki <dalecki@evision.ag>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: Peter Chubb <peter@chubb.wattle.id.au>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Matt_Domsch@Dell.com, Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.5.28 and partitions
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 12:08:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D490894.9030506@evision.ag> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.GSO.4.21.0207311832270.8505-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu

Alexander Viro wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Peter Chubb wrote:
> 
> 
>>Maybe we need to roll our own?  I suggest something like:
>>      struct linux_volume_header {
>>	     char  volname[16];
>>	     __u32 nparts;
>>	     __u32 blocksize;
>>	     struct linux_partition {
>>		    char partname[16]
>>		    __u64  start;
>>		    __u64  len;
>>		    __u32  usage;
>>		    __u32  flags;
>>	    } parts[]
>>    }
> 
> 
> Oh, ferchrissake!  WHY???  People, we'd seen a lot of demonstrations
> of the reasons why binary structures are *bad* for such stuff.
> 
> What the bleedin' hell is wrong with <name> <start> <len>\n - all in ASCII?  
> Terminated by \0.  No need for flags, no need for endianness crap, no
> need to worry about field becoming too narrow...
> 
> What, parsing that would be too slow?  Right.  Sure.  How many times do
> we parse partition table?  How many times do we end up reading it from
> disk?  How does IO time compare to the "overhead" of trivial sscanf loop?
> 
> Furrfu...  "ASCII is tough, let's go shopping"...

Whats wrong with ASCII processing? Easy to tell:

1. Look at bagtraq. (www.securityfocus.com)

2. It's making data *not agnostic* against i18n issues. This is 
something most people forgett about. /proc is LANG=en_US. ISO8859-1 - I
do not like this language.

3. For some as of jet undiscovered reason actual application programmers
hate processing it.

4. Answer 1. should be actually sufficient.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-01 10:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <15688.25919.138565.6427@wombat.chubb.wattle.id.au>
2002-07-31 22:39 ` 2.5.28 and partitions Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 10:08   ` Marcin Dalecki [this message]
2002-08-01 12:31     ` Kai Henningsen
2002-08-01 19:29   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-01 20:31     ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 20:45       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-08-01 21:08         ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 21:25           ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-01 21:41             ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-02 19:40               ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-08-01 21:02       ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-01 21:27         ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 21:45           ` Marcin Dalecki
2002-08-02  5:21           ` Ryan Anderson
2002-08-01 21:24       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-02 19:47         ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-08-02 20:49           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-02 21:21             ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-08-02 21:36               ` [RFC] " Thunder from the hill
2002-08-02 22:12               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-08-02 22:53                 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-08-02 14:54 Jesse Pollard
2002-08-02 18:33 ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found] <15688.27022.143541.447952@wombat.chubb.wattle.id.au>
2002-07-31 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-31 23:38 Matt_Domsch
     [not found] <F44891A593A6DE4B99FDCB7CC537BBBBB839AC@AUSXMPS308.aus.amer .dell.com>
2002-07-31 22:58 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-31 22:47 Matt_Domsch
2002-07-25 17:50 Andries.Brouwer
2002-07-25 13:24 Petr Vandrovec
2002-07-25 13:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-26  5:13   ` Adrian Bunk
2002-07-25 12:43 Petr Vandrovec
2002-07-25  3:22 Matt_Domsch
2002-07-25  5:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-25 11:44   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-25 15:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-30  9:58     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <Pine.GSO.4.21.0207250739390.17037-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu >
2002-07-25 13:03     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-25 16:50       ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-25 17:35         ` Jason L Tibbitts III
2002-07-25 17:57         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-25 18:27           ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  5:56         ` Austin Gonyou
     [not found]       ` <Pine.GSO.4.21.0207251245530.17621-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu >
2002-07-25 17:39         ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-25 10:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-24 22:42 Andries.Brouwer
2002-07-24 23:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-25  0:20   ` kwijibo
2002-07-25  4:00   ` Jason L Tibbitts III
     [not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.21.0207241925450.14656-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu >
2002-07-25  2:11   ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-25  5:15     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0207242213540.1231-100000@home.transmeta.com >
2002-07-25  8:43       ` Anton Altaparmakov

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