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From: Robert Schoeni <robert.schoeni@adm.unige.ch>
To: "Wagner, Grant" <gmw@tycho.ncsc.mil>, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Obj.: Microsoft knick-knack business : Can we stop this ? (We must !)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:33:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D65F352.563FD2F@adm.unige.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 0D2F5426C26FD511A1C400B0D0D0596835521C@deliverance.tycho.ncsc.mil

Hi to all !


At 1st, sorry for my poor kindergarten level english...


I saw once again that "We received a lot of loud complaints
regarding our efforts with SE Linux." - "said Dick Schafer,
deputy director of the NSA"

ref. : http://news.com.com/2100-1001-950083.html
(thanks to Sir Grant Wagner)

Well...

Surely because I live in Europe, I can't undersand why the
National Security Agency - of The United States of America,
the most powerful coutry in this damn world !!! Can't just
say "Shut up !" to the Microsoft lawyers or anything else...

SE-Linux is public, but its a Federal Project and it's
surrounds the security of the nation, the National Security,
isn't it ?

Does the business come in the question ? Of course no !

If the NSA needs to play Direct-X games, I would understand why
peoples are losing their time with Microsoft complaits, etc.
but I don't think so...

There is a bunch of people who are able to use the security
issues of all the versions of Microsoft Windows, why the
NSA isn't just reversing the situation - because the
Microsoft stuff insn't safe at all ?

How much time, how much money and informations has been
lost because of the awful quality of the Microsoft products ?

The problem is that Microsoft was everywhere since '80ies and
it really began with their BASIC interpreters... Bill Gates
and his staff were the cheapers, they were the best for the
cheap market of the cheaps family computers like the Commodore
64 and his BASIC V2... And they were cheap enough for the
cheap 1st 64KB IBM PC...

Now, cheap Microsoft produces comes with cheaps PC clones or
cheap Macintoshes (Office, and other knick-knack...) does 
the NSA need cheap stuff ? It is a cheap agency ?

Ok for the PC stuff, it's a good mean to replace >$10'000
UNIX workstations, but isn't Linux a great opportunity
to replace a proprietary UNIX with a free clone ? Or to
replace a 2D video-game like Windows (it's not really an
operating system, it is ? huh !)

SE-Linux is the great opportunity for all the goverment's
agencies to have a safe taylor made operating system, this
project has too much and too big consequences to kill it
in the egg with stupid business...

That Windows is the monopole in the end users world is quite
okay, the IQ of a group is proportionally the inverse of
the number of it's members... But I don't think that this
"rule" works with the elite people of the NSA and other
government agencies...


Why people aren't just saying "We don't make a SE-Windows
because it's impossible, that's why we are making a SE-Linux !"

And "We don't need to play Direct-X games, why should we
use Microsoft Windows ?"


Well, sorry for my poor english again and to blown a
fuse this way, but I believe it's a good reason...


Regards, (and sorry again... erm...)

Robert Schoeni.


N.B. : Why isn't SE-Linux renamed to "NSA-UNIX of death"
       with a nickname like "Lawsuits and Complaints Killer" ?

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Robert Schoeni                                    Uni. Dufour
Division Informatique                Rue du Général-Dufour 24
-robert.schoeni[at]adm.unige.ch-                  1204 GENEVE
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-08-23  8:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-22 15:07 NSA moving away from SELinux????? Wagner, Grant
2002-08-22 19:47 ` Ed Street
2002-08-23  8:33 ` Robert Schoeni [this message]
2002-08-23 13:40   ` Obj.: Microsoft knick-knack business : Can we stop this ? (We must !) Russell Coker
2002-08-23 20:53     ` ipop3d policy david caplan

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