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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Eric Lemoine <Eric.Lemoine@ens-lyon.fr>
Cc: kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com>,
	hadi@cyberus.CA, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: PATCH Re: udp weirdness
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 08:25:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D9B0FF1.1070203@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021002111326.GG357@hookipa

Eric Lemoine wrote:
>>>I may have to poke around...if nothing else I'll learn more about the 
>>>networking code...
>>
>>It is difficult task, if possible at all.
>>
>>The main obstacle is that we must not block after select() succeeded,
>>otherwise applications will lockup. Taking into account nature of datagram
>>services (and generally of networking services, where routes change et al.)
>>you do not know at time of select(), where the datagram will go.
>>So, blocking can be made only based on a criterium not depending on this.
>>problems with silent losses. People just do not care about this, so
>>they get the thing which they deserve.
> 
> 
> Alexey,
> 
> Would you mind explaining a bit more why apps will lockup if we block
> after select() succeeded. Or anyone?

Actually, I'm more interested to know why we would **need** to block after
select has succeeded.  It would seem to me that select is busted in this
case.  For the case of a very large UDP packet and a small send buffer,
select gets confused, but at least when the send buffer is > 128k, it should
be right...


> 
> Thx.
> 
> 	Eric.
> 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-02 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-24  6:50 udp weirdness Eric Lemoine
2002-09-27 12:02 ` Eric Lemoine
2002-09-27 14:53   ` jamal
2002-09-27 15:04     ` Matti Aarnio
2002-09-29 14:47       ` jamal
2002-09-30  8:49         ` Eric Lemoine
2002-09-30 11:09           ` jamal
2002-09-30 12:10           ` jamal
2002-09-30 12:23             ` jamal
2002-10-01  0:22               ` PATCH " jamal
2002-10-01  6:35                 ` Eric Lemoine
2002-10-01  9:51                   ` jamal
2002-10-01 13:53                 ` kuznet
2002-10-01 14:14                   ` jamal
2002-10-01 14:26                   ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 14:40                     ` kuznet
2002-10-01 14:52                       ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 15:31                         ` kuznet
2002-10-01 16:16                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 16:41                             ` kuznet
2002-10-01 17:17                               ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 16:42                           ` Ben Greear
2002-10-01 16:58                             ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 17:55                             ` jamal
2002-10-01 18:36                               ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 18:35                                 ` jamal
2002-10-01 18:54                                   ` Ben Greear
2002-10-01 19:03                                   ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-01 18:52                               ` Ben Greear
2002-10-02 11:13                           ` Eric Lemoine
2002-10-02 14:09                             ` Chris Friesen
2002-10-02 15:25                             ` Ben Greear [this message]
2002-10-03 15:58                               ` Eric Lemoine
2002-10-03 16:29                                 ` kuznet
2002-09-27 15:19     ` Eric Lemoine
2002-09-27 15:57     ` Eric Lemoine

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