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From: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	giduru@yahoo.com, Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:50:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DA085DA.A775CDC9@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1033923206.21282.28.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk

Alan Cox wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 05:28, David S. Miller wrote:
> > Embedded applications tend to have issues which are entirely specific
> > to that embedded project.  As such, those are things that do not
> > belong in a general purpose OS.
> 
> 90% of the embedded Linux problem is not this. Its actually easy to get
> most of the embedded needs into the base kernel - in fact they overlap
> the other worlds a lot.
> 
> Need low power consumption/resource usage - thats S/390 mainframe
> instances and ibm wristwatches.
> 
> Need good cpu control - thats desktop/laptop and embedded
> 
> Need good irq behaviour (pre-empt/low latency) - thats desktop/embedded
> 
> and it carries on like that.
> 
> No the big problem is that each embedded vendor is desperately trying to
> keep their changes out of the mainstream so they can screw each other.
> In doing so the main people they screw are all their customers.
> 
> So if the embedded people want 2.6 to be good at embedded they need to
> get their heads out of their arses and contribute to the mainstream.
> Otherwise they'll always be chasing a moving ball, and a ball most
> people are kicking the other way down the field. Its a simple fact of
> line, if you stick you head up your backside all you get to do is eat
> shit
> 
> (and yes there are some embedded people who do contribute but they are
> sadly a real minority)

Uh, thanks, I think.

-g
> 
> Alan
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-06 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-05 19:36 The end of embedded Linux? Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 19:46 ` Francois Romieu
2002-10-05 19:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-05 19:53 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-05 20:52   ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 20:58     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  1:54       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 23:28       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-06  0:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  1:52     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 20:20       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  2:01         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06  4:28     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 18:50         ` george anzinger [this message]
2002-10-07 10:06         ` simon
2002-10-07 10:36           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 11:57             ` Russell King
2002-10-07 12:10               ` Abraham vd Merwe
2002-10-07 14:12                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:05               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:02                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 16:20                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-07 16:38                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:53                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-07 17:45                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 18:11                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 18:54                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 19:11                         ` Russell King
2002-10-07 20:05                           ` Ben Greear
2002-10-12 10:08                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-14 12:26                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-07 17:15             ` simon
2002-10-07 17:24               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:22               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:22                 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-10-07 22:52                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:56                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-09 11:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-08 10:11                 ` simon
2002-10-08 11:11                   ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:53                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-08 12:09                       ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 20:04                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:53                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 22:38                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 11:27                   ` jw schultz
2002-10-09  7:37                     ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-09 11:49                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-09 11:53                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-09 19:17                           ` jbradford
2002-10-09 23:49                             ` jw schultz
2002-10-13 16:30                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-09 12:42                       ` Ian Molton
2002-10-10  4:47                       ` Shane Nay
2002-10-08 15:52                   ` David Lang
2002-10-09 10:53                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-07 10:55           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-07 17:20             ` simon
2002-10-07 22:59               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:15         ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:22       ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:41         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 21:56           ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 19:44             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 13:22               ` Thomas Molina
2002-10-08 16:34                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 19:50             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2002-10-08 16:52                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 11:38                   ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 12:15                     ` [patch] show Fusion MPT dialog only when CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is set Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 12:15                       ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-09 19:55                       ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 19:55                         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 19:54                     ` [PATCH]: Move Fusion MPT config menu into scsi driver support (was Re: The end of embedded Linux?) Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:01         ` The end of embedded Linux? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 23:47             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  0:06               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  1:23             ` Xcytame@yahoo.es
2002-10-06 13:02     ` Ian Molton
2002-10-05 19:53 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 22:23 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-05 23:28   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06  1:57     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-12  4:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-12  4:09     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:41 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:50   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  1:00     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 22:24   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:54     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-07  1:33     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 22:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07  9:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0210061854190.24860-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-10-07  5:38 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  5:42   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  6:06     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:00     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 12:32       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 13:06   ` Dana Lacoste
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-07 20:04 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 23:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08  0:10   ` jw schultz
2002-10-08  9:36 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08  9:51 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 20:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 12:05 Hicks, Jamey
2002-10-12 20:45 Hell.Surfers

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