From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Patrick Shirkey Subject: Re: help for a levelmeter Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:25:42 +0900 Sender: alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: <3DAF7F36.20509@boosthardware.com> References: <3DAC1C6C000959C1@ims5a.libero.it> (added by postmaster@libero.it) <3DAF320E.9B3B6072@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Errors-To: alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: To: Abramo Bagnara Cc: Devel Alsa List-Id: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Abramo Bagnara wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > >>>Paul Davis wrote: >>> >>>> [ ... ] >>>> >>>> >>>>>The rest is obvious, of course ;-))) >>>> >>>>i deeply and sincerely this was funny. but it isn't. >>> >>>What do you mean with that? >>> >>>Documentation has not been written for lack of funding and lack of >>>volunteers. >>> >>>This is self-evident and if you're insinuating I'm the one to blame I >>>believe you're definitely unfair. >> >>no, i am not insinuating that. i just wish that when users come >>knocking on ALSA's door, we had something better to show them than a >>declarative syntax for a configuration file they can't imagine that >>they need. i don't have the time, you don't have time, nobody, it >>seems, has the time. so those of thus who know and love ALSA can do >>good things with it, and others get to scratch their heads and ask >>"what are these guys doing?" > > > This was my prophecy written to SuSE and ALSA team more than 18 months > ago. IIRC I wrote this also privately to you. > > ALSA community (and I'm a guilty, senior member of it) has not (yet?) > been able to make a supportable business of ALSA itself and this hurts. > > I've felt the *desire* to develop ALSA furtherly for months (mix plugin, > more scopes, network layer, callback model, etc.), ideas and improvement > swarmed in my brain, while I had to use my time working for other things > to pay my bills. > > You know I've believed in ALSA value more than any other, but perhaps > (and I underline _perhaps_) I was wrong. > > If you put together skilful, most motivated people, a worthwhile (from > the economic point of view) project, an interested active community and > this mix is unable to found a supportable business, I might deduce one > or more of the following: > a) people are not skilful enough > b) community is not interested enough > c) project does not worth enough > > Personally I'm trying to take back a) honestly and at best of my ability > in my work life. > > Others will do what they think best. > We have been kind of hard on you recently Abramo. Possibly we are just trying to get a reaction. I am almost 100% certain that the problem lies in none of the above. My opinion is that there is not enough people working on the promotional side of ALSA and Linux Audio. I wrote to LAD about this last week. As an example the harmony central site doesn't even link to the alsa site. I guess this problem could be explained under b) with a caveat. Instead of community it should say Promoters. Because AFAICT the community is definitely interested in ALSA. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. For the discerning hardware connoisseur Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Um...symbol_get and symbol_put... They're kindof like does anyone remember like get_symbol and put_symbol I think we used to have..." - Rusty Russell in his talk on the module subsystem ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: viaVerio will pay you up to $1,000 for every account that you consolidate with us. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4749864;7604308;v? http://www.viaverio.com/consolidator/osdn.cfm