From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bitkeeper outrage, old and new
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:28:43 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DB1EAAB.30401@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021019161201.A26017@work.bitmover.com
Larry McVoy wrote:
> I have no problem with the GPL, I think it's a fine license if your
> goal is to have things done out in the open with no hoarding. A great
> license, in fact. But I have a big problem with this constant harping
> on the term "freedom". The GPL absolutely positively does not grant me
> all the rights I want, it took substantial portions of my freedom away.
> I am not free to use GPL source in any way I wish and neither is anyone
> else.
>
> I'm OK with you having a free license, go make one. I'm OK with you
> sticking with the GPL, but then you get admit that it is not a free
> license and stop kidding yourself and others.
At the potential cost of getting flamed, I think it is worth pointing
out that the FSF's copyright assignment policy on several of their
projects is _very_ anti-freedom. You are required to relinquish all
your rights to your contributions, in exchange for the hope that the FSF
will protect them.
So, like the GPL, you are really _giving up_ rights and freedoms for the
overall cause of software freedom.
Jeff, who GPLs all the software he writes...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-19 23:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-13 22:48 Bitkeeper outragem, old and new Richard Stallman
2002-10-13 22:57 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-13 23:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-14 7:00 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-13 23:43 ` Rando Christensen
2002-10-14 0:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-14 6:49 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-14 7:38 ` Tim Hockin
2002-10-14 11:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 11:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-14 16:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <E181WHl-00010N-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <20021015193138.A4010@infradead.org>
[not found] ` <200210161856.g9GIu57t013710@santafe.santafe.edu>
[not found] ` <20021016201328.A24882@infradead.org>
2002-10-19 22:45 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Richard Stallman
2002-10-19 23:12 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-19 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2002-10-20 15:46 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 17:34 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-22 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-25 0:27 ` Andrew D Kirch
2002-10-20 19:15 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 21:51 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:20 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-20 22:23 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:35 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-21 0:26 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-21 15:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-22 11:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-22 8:19 ` Kristian Koehntopp
2002-10-22 11:06 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-20 22:52 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-21 0:38 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-20 22:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-20 23:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:47 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:51 ` Brad Hards
2002-10-21 7:51 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-21 15:04 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-20 22:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 19:06 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-19 23:48 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-20 8:37 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-20 17:20 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 22:44 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-20 23:05 ` John Jasen
2002-10-21 0:13 ` Matt D. Robinson
2002-10-22 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-22 3:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 3:38 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 5:26 ` [OT] " Hacksaw
2002-10-22 5:39 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-22 6:09 ` Hacksaw
2002-10-22 6:12 ` David Lloyd
2002-10-22 13:30 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-22 16:23 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-22 20:24 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 2:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-21 2:20 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-21 3:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-21 3:42 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-22 20:16 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 9:39 ` jbradford
2002-10-21 15:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-20 1:14 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 2:00 ` Jon Portnoy
2002-10-20 2:18 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-20 8:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 2:46 ` Nicholas Wourms
2002-10-20 5:58 ` Zac Hansen
2002-10-20 8:40 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-20 9:00 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-20 9:06 ` David Lang
2002-10-20 9:21 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-20 15:08 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-21 12:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-22 19:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-22 19:53 ` [FLAMEWAR] Bitkeeper waffle jbradford
2002-10-20 12:42 ` Bitkeeper outrage, old and new Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-20 15:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-20 8:33 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-21 17:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-21 17:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 20:13 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-22 20:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-22 22:28 ` Allen Campbell
2002-10-23 7:10 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-23 7:24 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-24 16:54 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-14 16:55 ` Bitkeeper outragem, " Jeff Garzik
[not found] <fa.f8i4p2v.1imcdgq@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.ebbrv0v.kjq1pk@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-20 19:53 ` Bitkeeper outrage, " Russ Allbery
2002-10-20 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-20 21:39 ` Russ Allbery
[not found] <fa.l1b0ccv.p34qob@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.h9pconv.14mklqe@ifi.uio.no>
2002-10-21 11:02 ` walt
2002-10-21 13:46 ` Roman Zippel
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