From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-security-module@wirex.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove sys_security
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:12:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3DB46DD2.8030007@wirex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1035208643.27309.109.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk
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Alan Cox wrote:
>On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 21:10, Greg KH wrote:
>
>
>>Ok, I think it's time for someone who actually cares about the security
>>syscall to step up here to try to defend the existing interface. I'm
>>pretty sure Ericsson, HP, SELinux, and WireX all use this, so they need
>>to be the ones defending it.
>>
>>
>The existing interface is basically the one Linus asked for, although
>perhaps with a little less thought on the structure side than it would
>have benefitted
>
The intent behind the syscall interface was that it needed to be generic
enough to support the 50+ syscalls that SELinux wants, and also be
generic enough to support potential modules that have not been invented
yet. That's why it is a MUX, and why the signature definition is enough
to deal with stacked modules and then pass a generic argv list to the
module itself.
Unfortunately, this design goal (highly generic interface) is
incompatible with the 32/64 bit transparancy layer that several
supported architectures need. As Christoph says, this is unfixable.
IMHO, it is unfixable because of conflicting design goals: you cannot
have a truly generic syscall interface and hope for it to port clean
from 32 bits to 64 bits.
Therefore, the sys_security syscall has been removed. LSM-aware
applications that want to talk to security modules can do so through a
file system interface. This will work for WireX, and Smalley says it
will work for SELinux. I hope it will work for others.
Again, my thanks for eveyone's help in cleaning up this issue, and my
apologies to anyone I may have offended. We should have thought about
the 32/64 bit issue when we defined that interface. Kudos to Greg K-H,
who told me that this syscall would be a problem.
Thanks,
Crispin
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-21 21:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-17 18:50 [PATCH] remove sys_security Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 18:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 18:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 19:07 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:10 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 7:04 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 8:31 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 8:29 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 12:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:04 ` Greg KH
2002-10-19 2:05 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:11 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 7:28 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-18 9:02 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 13:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-10-18 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:30 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 16:54 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 17:15 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 22:36 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-21 13:54 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 16:44 ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 17:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 20:36 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 17:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 16:38 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-18 9:09 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 10:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 12:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:00 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:37 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:49 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 22:14 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 22:22 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23 0:35 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 11:43 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-23 11:59 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 14:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 14:54 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 16:09 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:34 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:51 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-24 6:26 ` Nathan Scott
2002-10-24 8:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:45 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-21 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 21:12 ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2002-10-21 21:17 ` Greg KH
2002-10-22 12:22 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-17 20:20 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:28 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 19:05 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 20:18 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:36 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:58 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 22:07 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:19 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 8:00 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 7:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 13:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 21:54 ` David Wagner
2002-10-17 22:36 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:04 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:08 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 14:24 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-10-17 22:51 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-17 22:51 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 17:47 ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-17 23:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 22:56 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:09 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:10 ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-18 13:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 23:11 ` Greg KH
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[not found] ` <20021017211223.A8095@infradead.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3DAFB260.5000206@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20021018.000738.05626464.davem@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <3DAFC6E7.9000302@wirex.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-18 9:25 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:36 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 9:44 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 9:55 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 10:13 ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 17:24 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-18 11:43 ` Andreas Ferber
[not found] <20021023155457.L2732@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.33.0210231112420.7042-100000@raven.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-10-23 16:33 ` Andi Kleen
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