difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[simon Shaw]

Hi..

Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and CGI scripts??  
What is the relationship between them? When we need to create CGI script in 
/var/www/cgi-bin/ compare to the html scripts in /var/www/html/*.html

Simon





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Re: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[Tyler]

On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:01:23PM +0800, simon Shaw wrote:
> Hi..
> 
> Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and CGI scripts??  
> What is the relationship between them? When we need to create CGI script in 
> /var/www/cgi-bin/ compare to the html scripts in /var/www/html/*.html
> 
> Simon
> 

Look, I don't mean to sound harsh here, but if you can't figure this out
yourself by reading the available documentation, an answer from someone
on this list is probably not going to be meaningful or useful to you. 


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Re: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[Geoff Torres]

Tyler wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:01:23PM +0800, simon Shaw wrote:
> > Hi..
> >
> > Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and CGI scripts??
> > What is the relationship between them? When we need to create CGI script in
> > /var/www/cgi-bin/ compare to the html scripts in /var/www/html/*.html
> >
> > Simon
> >
> 
> Look, I don't mean to sound harsh here, but if you can't figure this out
> yourself by reading the available documentation, an answer from someone
> on this list is probably not going to be meaningful or useful to you.

It might sound a little less harsh if you provide a pointer for him.

Simon,  what Tyler is saying (and I agree) is that the nature of your question shows how little you know about HTML in general and no one here really has the time to provide a tutorial for you.  I would suggest a class or online tutorial to get you up to
speed.  I first started with the O-Reilly books for basic HTML web pages.  There are many other good books available.

The short, high-level (and incomplete) answer to your question is that HTML code is essentially the I/O of a web page and CGI scripts are the logic.  A web page will collect user data and invoke the CGI script when you push the "submit" button.  The script
should output the results in HTML code.

Geoff

Linux Backups

[Ed Walsh]

Hi All,

I'm getting a little fustrated with linux backup. I have about 30GB of data
residing on RedHat linux 7.1 that needs to be backed up. I've done backup
with GNU tar with compression but it only backs up 2GB worth of data onto
another machine. However, if I have 7GB of free space on the same machine,
tar will go over the 2GB limit. So that part confuses me.

I'm kinda hoping that someone knows a better way of backing up large data.
I've somewhat been reading Amanda but I'm not sure if that's the way to go.
I may be wrong since I'm new to linux backups.

Any suggestions/recommendations or pointers to go to websites to research on
would be greatly appreciated. Not having much luck on my own.

Thanks,
Ed

Re: Linux Backups

[Marshall Lake]

> I'm kinda hoping that someone knows a better way of backing up large
> data. I've somewhat been reading Amanda but I'm not sure if that's the
> way to go. I may be wrong since I'm new to linux backups.
> 
> Any suggestions/recommendations or pointers to go to websites to
> research on would be greatly appreciated. Not having much luck on my
> own.

I use rsync from a bash script to back up to another machine on my network
overnight.  It seems to work fine for me.

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Re: Linux Backups

[terry white]

on "11-19-2002" "Ed Walsh" writ:

: I may be wrong since I'm new to linux backups.

... when i think of 'backups', tape comes to mind.

    http://www.bru.com ...


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Re: Linux Backups

[Ed Walsh]

using Samba 2.0.10 no NFS I should've compiled that in with the build.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Hemingway" <matt@supplyedge.com>
To: "Ed Walsh" <ewalsh@lightning9.net>; <linux-admin@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Linux Backups


> How are you transfering the data to the other machine?
>
> If it's NFS, than you need to make sure the server supports NFS version 3
and
> add NFS version 3 support to the client.
>
> I had this same problem with a Linux client we we're backing up to a
Solaris
> NFS server.  Re-compiling the kernel with NFS version 3 client support
fixed
> the problem.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Tuesday 19 November 2002 12:34 pm, Ed Walsh wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm getting a little fustrated with linux backup. I have about 30GB of
data
> > residing on RedHat linux 7.1 that needs to be backed up. I've done
backup
> > with GNU tar with compression but it only backs up 2GB worth of data
onto
> > another machine. However, if I have 7GB of free space on the same
machine,
> > tar will go over the 2GB limit. So that part confuses me.
> >
> > I'm kinda hoping that someone knows a better way of backing up large
data.
> > I've somewhat been reading Amanda but I'm not sure if that's the way to
go.
> > I may be wrong since I'm new to linux backups.
> >
> > Any suggestions/recommendations or pointers to go to websites to
research
> > on would be greatly appreciated. Not having much luck on my own.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ed
> >
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Re: Linux Backups

[Milan P. Stanic]

On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 03:34:36PM -0500, Ed Walsh wrote:
> I'm getting a little fustrated with linux backup. I have about 30GB of data
> residing on RedHat linux 7.1 that needs to be backed up. I've done backup
> with GNU tar with compression but it only backs up 2GB worth of data onto
> another machine. However, if I have 7GB of free space on the same machine,
> tar will go over the 2GB limit. So that part confuses me.
 
Your tar (or filesystem) probably has a 2G limit in file size.

Milan

Re: Linux Backups

[Agus Budy Wuysang]

Ed Walsh wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm getting a little fustrated with linux backup. I have about 30GB of data
> residing on RedHat linux 7.1 that needs to be backed up. I've done backup
> with GNU tar with compression but it only backs up 2GB worth of data onto
> another machine. However, if I have 7GB of free space on the same machine,
> tar will go over the 2GB limit. So that part confuses me.
> 
> I'm kinda hoping that someone knows a better way of backing up large data.
> I've somewhat been reading Amanda but I'm not sure if that's the way to go.
> I may be wrong since I'm new to linux backups.
> 
> Any suggestions/recommendations or pointers to go to websites to research on
> would be greatly appreciated. Not having much luck on my own.

It seems you are stuck with 2Gb filesize limit, if so
you can try splitting them into 2Gb chunks, eg:

[/bdir] $ tar -cvzf - /data/to/backup | split -b2000m - mybackup.gz.

or

[/from/anydir] $ tar ... | (cd /bdir; split ... )

It will create mybackup.aa, mybackup.ab, .ac ... etc,
into /bdir, w/ size approx 2Gb each.

To restore, just do:

cat /bdir/mybackup.gz.* | tar -xvzf -

more info: man 1 split (from textutils package)

Hope this could help you.

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Storage systems

[Miguel González Castaños]

Dear all,

 I am addressing to you guys, to see if you could give some ideas...

 We are dessigning a system where we will need to store loads of tiff format image
files. We havent estimated yet which will be the amount of the image files that
there will be around 40-60 Gb/ a year. The problem is that those images should be
always accesible, we have thought about to create a database system to retrieve
those images and that way to develop a kind of image file server for the rest of
applications that need to get those image files.

 The environment is using linux and systems of low cost. We presumably would use
IDE hard disk drives.

 We have consider several ways to achieve it, clustering, etc...but,  After
considering using volume striping with LVM, the problem that we envisaged is that
such image file server would be working lot of hours, that means that IDE hard
disk drives after a few years could start to have disk failures (I think they are
meant to be use around 3-5 years)...

 Then we started to think about a massive storage system for small systems...but
that choice could be a bit expensive...

 I suppose you guys maybe you should have faced the deployment of such system. We
only are thinking about other possibilites we havent taken into account.

 If massive storage systems are our solution, we would like to know which
possibilities I could found for Linux (red hat if possible).

 Sorry for the lenght of my email.

 Many thanks

 Miguel

terminal problems with escape characters

[Miguel González Castaños]

I have a RedHat 7.3 linux box. I have enabled the telnet server.

I am trying to telnet my linux box from a unix-like system where the default
terminal setting is set to ansi.

I have succesfully changed the setting for the TERM variable to 'linux' or 'vt100'
or even 'xterm' (as I have found in several news).

But I am still experiencing when I edit files with the vi program, because of the
escape characters like the ones to move the cursor dont work...That´s my main
problem.

Anyway, I have thought that maybe it was due that I was telneting to the Unix box
using  the Windows 2000 telnet, but I have tried to use other telnet programs
(like putty), but I cant figure out what I have to change in the linux box
settings (or the telnet client)...

Many thanks in advance...

Miguel


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Re: terminal problems with escape characters

[dashielljt]

It's the keymap settings that need changing or expanding.

Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net>

Re: terminal problems with escape characters

[Miguel González Castaños]

Hi,

 Many thanks, but how can I change or expand the keymap settings rightly in
order that the other way of telneting my box still works and I can telnet
from the unix box?

 Many thanks again

 Miguel

dashielljt ha escrito:

> It's the keymap settings that need changing or expanding.
>
> Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net>
>
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Re: terminal problems with escape characters

[dashielljt]

I think the linux speakup site has a keymap editing tutorial but don't
know if it has the information in it you need.

Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net>

Re: Linux Backups

[djh]

Am Die, 2002-11-19 um 21.34 schrieb Ed Walsh:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm getting a little fustrated with linux backup. I have about 30GB of data
> residing on RedHat linux 7.1 that needs to be backed up. I've done backup
> with GNU tar with compression but it only backs up 2GB worth of data onto
> another machine. However, if I have 7GB of free space on the same machine,

another maschine ? maybe a windows ?
with OS < NT4 is a sizelimit with 2GB ...

bye,
helmut

RE: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[Michael Luevane]

Additionally, you might look at http://www.htmlgoodies.com.

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: linux-admin-owner@vger.kernel.org
|> [mailto:linux-admin-owner@vger.kernel.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Torres
|> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:09 AM
|> To: linux-admin@vger.kernel.org
|> Subject: Re: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts
|>
|>
|> Tyler wrote:
|> >
|> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 04:01:23PM +0800, simon Shaw wrote:
|> > > Hi..
|> > >
|> > > Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and
|> CGI scripts??
|> > > What is the relationship between them? When we need to
|> create CGI script in
|> > > /var/www/cgi-bin/ compare to the html scripts in /var/www/html/*.html
|> > >
|> > > Simon
|> > >
|> >
|> > Look, I don't mean to sound harsh here, but if you can't
|> figure this out
|> > yourself by reading the available documentation, an answer from someone
|> > on this list is probably not going to be meaningful or useful to you.
|>
|> It might sound a little less harsh if you provide a pointer for him.
|>
|> Simon,  what Tyler is saying (and I agree) is that the nature of
|> your question shows how little you know about HTML in general
|> and no one here really has the time to provide a tutorial for
|> you.  I would suggest a class or online tutorial to get you up to
|> speed.  I first started with the O-Reilly books for basic HTML
|> web pages.  There are many other good books available.
|>
|> The short, high-level (and incomplete) answer to your question
|> is that HTML code is essentially the I/O of a web page and CGI
|> scripts are the logic.  A web page will collect user data and
|> invoke the CGI script when you push the "submit" button.  The script
|> should output the results in HTML code.
|>
|> Geoff
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Re: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[- Luis -]

On Monday 18 November 2002 02:01, simon Shaw wrote:
Why dont you try safari.oreilly.com there are many online books that may help 
you

> Hi..
>
> Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and CGI scripts??
> What is the relationship between them? When we need to create CGI script in
> /var/www/cgi-bin/ compare to the html scripts in /var/www/html/*.html
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: difference btw CGI and HTML scripts

[terry white]

on "11-18-2002" "simon Shaw" writ:

: Could you tell him what is the difference between HTML and CGI scripts??

... as a general rule, 'scripts' are thought to be 'executable'.  in the
broadest sense, HTML (HyperText Markup Language) might be considered a
'browser' script, and as such, limited to that universe.

    CGI (Common Gateway Interface) makes OS resources available to the
'browser' when called from within html processing.  ./*.cgi should be
command-line executable, while ./*.html is not.


    you are cautioned to consider the security implications of running
cgi ...


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    if i have to , i guess ...

Re: terminal problems with escape characters

[Miguel González Castaños]

Many thanks for the fancy telnet client.

I am going to specify my problem a little bit more:

I have set TERM to 'linux'.

When I edit with the vi program (or the bash prompt) delete and backspace works fine,
but not control characters, like
the Up, Down, Left,Right arrow keys, instead of that I get:

^[[B ,  ^[[A , ^[[C , ^[[D

I hope this is a more specific information on this issue. I have looked around in some
web sites, but I still cant figure
out how to fix it.

Many thanks

Miguel


amgad fahmy ha escrito:

> Hello
> Dave telnet is my friend
> it is very flexible & open source
> try it & let se if you still having any problems
>
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/dtelnet/dt118b16.zip?download
>
> On Tue, 10 Dec 2002,
> Miguel González
> Castaños
> wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:19:34 +0100
> > From: Miguel González Castaños <mgc@tid.es>
> > To: linux-admin@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: terminal problems with escape characters
> >
> > I have a RedHat 7.3 linux box. I have enabled the telnet server.
> >
> > I am trying to telnet my linux box from a unix-like system where the default
> > terminal setting is set to ansi.
> >
> > I have succesfully changed the setting for the TERM variable to 'linux' or 'vt100'
> > or even 'xterm' (as I have found in several news).
> >
> > But I am still experiencing when I edit files with the vi program, because of the
> > escape characters like the ones to move the cursor dont work...That´s my main
> > problem.
> >
> > Anyway, I have thought that maybe it was due that I was telneting to the Unix box
> > using  the Windows 2000 telnet, but I have tried to use other telnet programs
> > (like putty), but I cant figure out what I have to change in the linux box
> > settings (or the telnet client)...
> >
> > Many thanks in advance...
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> >
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> >
>
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