From: Samuel Flory <sflory@rackable.com>
To: jdow <jdow@earthlink.net>
Cc: Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org>,
Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>,
Marco Monteiro <masm@acm.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers?
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:15:57 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E1627BD.30902@rackable.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 08ed01c2b381$e3efc590$1125a8c0@wizardess.wiz
jdow wrote:
>From: "Samuel Flory" <sflory@rackable.com>
>
>
>
>> I simply question the idea that someone would need or want to download
>>the source, and compile it for the purposes of piracy. The current
>>state of things seems to indicate the absence of source doesn't prevent
>>piracy. I suspect that I can find a usable pirated copy of virtually
>>any popular software on the net. This because copy protection doesn't
>>work against any intelligent and determined person. It works against
>>the really lazy, and stupid who wouldn't be able, or want to compile a
>>program any way.
>>
>>
>
>There is a logic fallacy here, Samuel. Absence of source not preventing
>theft has nothing to do with the level and kind of theft if the source
>is placed out there for competitors to steal.
>
There is no logical fallacy as I was talking in terms of consumer
level piracy.
> When the hardware playing
>field is more or less even and the OS playing field is more or less even
>the only particular value added for games or for small marketplace code
>comes from wringing superior performance out of the provided components.
>When I place a piece of software out for purchase that features a new
>innovation in the use of a given hardware platform my competitors look
>it over intently, "How'd she do that?" I am pretty sure they can figure
>it out quickly enough. But, I still have a 3 to 6 month lead time to pay
>for the roof over my head before the competitors are selling the same
>feature. If I give then my source code that lead time goes away and I
>am left flipping burgers to pay for a coding habit.
>
Don't get me wrong I understand this. This is why I feel most games
would tend toward an escrow license if they tended toward any sort of
open license. You could claim this as a trend by citing Doom, and
Quake. Few games have a shelf life much beyond 6 months.
That said I've never bought a game because it had a certain feature.
(Other than the ability to pause and issue orders in RTS.)
>Trust me, it ain't
>going to go down that way. If a benefactor cares to pay for my
>innovations and release them with source immediately then I am willing
>to play the game. I am not after world domination. I just want to pay
>for my food and housing and some hobbies so that my life is worth
>living. I'm just not willing to give away what should be creating a
>life for me. That way of living is an exotic form of suicide. As a
>software consultant my income is getting paid for my work. If I release
>that code to the public immediately it is ready for release I don't
>have an income. Both my stomach and the IRS get disappointed. The
>latter I can happily deal with. The former is more bother than I can
>handle.
>
>
I think you are taking this discussion a bit more serious than me.
I'm just theorizing where trends are (or could be) heading. Of course
my livelihood has always been dependent on selling hardware;-)
--
There is no such thing as obsolete hardware.
Merely hardware that other people don't want.
(The Second Rule of Hardware Acquisition)
Sam Flory <sflory@rackable.com>
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2003-01-03 16:45 Why is Nvidia given GPL'd code to use in closed source drivers? Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 21:52 ` Samuel Flory
2003-01-03 21:55 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 22:55 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 23:12 ` Samuel Flory
2003-01-03 23:43 ` jdow
2003-01-04 0:15 ` Samuel Flory [this message]
2003-01-04 1:30 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-04 1:15 ` David Lang
2003-01-04 1:34 ` Samuel Flory
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2003-01-06 18:03 J.S.Souza
2003-01-05 6:14 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-05 12:02 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-04 7:11 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-04 7:22 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 8:53 ` Tupshin Harper
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2003-01-04 0:53 Billy Rose
2003-01-04 1:27 ` NEURONET
2003-01-02 17:43 Hell.Surfers
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2003-01-02 6:56 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-02 7:06 ` Milosz Tanski
2003-01-02 17:33 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-01-02 7:15 ` Milosz Tanski
2003-01-02 5:33 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-03 13:02 ` NEURONET
2003-01-03 15:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-01 7:43 Andre Hedrick
2003-01-01 16:13 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-01 21:34 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-02 9:57 ` Jos Hulzink
2003-01-01 5:13 A Guy Called Tyketto
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2003-01-01 7:40 ` jw schultz
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2003-01-01 4:48 ` Ed Sweetman
2003-01-01 4:20 ` Erik Andersen
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2002-12-31 15:03 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-12-31 19:11 ` David Schwartz
2002-12-31 3:57 Hell.Surfers
2002-12-31 6:55 ` David Schwartz
2002-12-31 10:51 ` Andrew Walrond
2002-12-31 12:05 ` Xavier Bestel
2002-12-31 12:19 ` John Bradford
2002-12-31 14:22 ` Jochen Friedrich
2002-12-31 14:31 ` John Bradford
2003-01-01 19:28 ` Måns Rullgård
2002-12-31 14:14 ` Andrew Walrond
2002-12-31 12:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-12-31 13:49 ` Mark Rutherford
2002-12-31 15:26 ` Paul Jakma
2002-12-31 15:36 ` Mark Rutherford
2002-12-31 15:44 ` Paul Jakma
2002-12-31 17:05 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-01-01 19:35 ` Måns Rullgård
2002-12-31 15:11 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2002-12-31 22:36 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-01 16:45 ` Rik van Riel
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2003-01-02 1:29 ` Paul Jakma
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2003-01-02 1:38 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 1:37 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-02 2:57 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-02 5:58 ` Bill Huey
2003-01-02 6:14 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 4:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 5:00 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-03 5:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 8:31 ` David S. Miller
2003-01-03 5:04 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 5:12 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 12:16 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 12:51 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:42 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-03 14:46 ` John Alvord
2003-01-03 14:48 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 16:13 ` Erik Andersen
2003-01-03 16:58 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-05 14:04 ` Graham Murray
2003-01-05 22:37 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 1:43 ` Ian Molton
2003-01-06 5:26 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 10:44 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-06 16:06 ` Mark Mielke
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2003-01-08 15:46 ` Mark Hounschell
2003-01-08 15:46 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08 16:00 ` Mark Hounschell
2003-01-03 19:33 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-06 10:31 ` Helge Hafting
2003-01-03 14:49 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-03 16:16 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 17:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 17:53 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 18:03 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-03 18:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 1:33 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-03 21:19 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 21:37 ` Disconnect
2003-01-03 23:44 ` Marco Monteiro
2003-01-03 21:52 ` jw schultz
2003-01-04 15:41 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 13:53 ` Daniel Egger
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2003-01-03 20:21 ` Andrew Walrond
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2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
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