From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: Multiple data streams... Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 22:37:24 +0400 Message-ID: <3E8C7F64.8020008@namesys.com> References: <6167696812.20030402112847@tnonline.net> <3E8B0BED.2070004@suse.com> <3E8B1572.1010001@namesys.com> <1049303242.15216.1023.camel@tiny.suse.com> <16011.6694.600468.304009@laputa.namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <16011.6694.600468.304009@laputa.namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Nikita Danilov Cc: Chris Mason , Jeff Mahoney , Anders Widman , reiserfs-list@namesys.com Nikita Danilov wrote: >Chris Mason writes: > > On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 11:53, Hans Reiser wrote: > > > Users should know that these will never be accepted into ReiserFS, and > > > the reasons why are explained at www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html > > > > They should also know that suse has committed to supporting the ACL and > > xattr patches. It's an important feature to our customers, so we more > > or less had to choose between making something else the default and > > giving reiserfs the features needed for it to compete in the enterprise > > market. > > > > We chose the latter ;-) > > > >Actually, locking ACLs out of mainline gives SuSe competitive advantage >over, say, some other distribution that would like to use Reiserfs. In >such situation that "other distribution" would probably opt for not >using reiserfs at all. > > > > -chris > > > >Nikita. > > > > > > > > > > > > and if we introduce a non-compatible version of ACLs into the mainline.... There are the Unix wannabes and those who want to build something better. There aren't actually a lot who want to build something better than what has passed before.... but then there never is..... Reiser4 is not going to adopt the wait until some other OS has used a feature for 5 years, and then adopt it approach that Ted Tso suggested on one occasion (I think we were discussing upcoming reiser4 features;-) ). This is a natural friction between those who want Linux to quickly become like Unix, and those who think Unix is not necessarily all that we could be. I suspect that as Linux matures this is going to become more and more of an issue, because those who are able to copy features effectively are not those who are able to add new ones, but those who copy will be entrenched in the power structure. It will be much like the competition between slow growth and fast growth vegetation in the forest: both approaches have their place in the ecosystem and both seek to displace the other. What we should all remember though is that everyone is trying to make Linux better as best as they can, and so let us not make a big deal out of this ACL fork because little positive will come out of it (please take note of this point Nikita). -- Hans