From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Manuel Krause Subject: Re: plagiarism of reiserfs by Debian Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 08:44:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3EA241C0.6080600@netscape.net> References: <20030419230654.GF26352@cheney.cx> <20030420034150.GP32700@zewt.org> <3EA23B72.9020606@netscape.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080906060707070903030304" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com List-Id: To: reiserfs-list --------------080906060707070903030304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 04/20/2003 08:17 AM, Manuel Krause wrote: > On 04/20/2003 05:41 AM, Glenn Maynard wrote: > >> Trimmed CC: little; I can't imagine why this should go to -testing ... >> >> On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 02:49:36AM +0200, Marcel Weber wrote: >> >>> All I can say to this is: use what you like, resp. if you don't like >>> bloated software or spamware do not use it. My point is, that it >>> should be a right of the original authors of the software to include >>> credits. If someone else does a complete rewrite of the software, >>> okay than we can discuss it, but if the rewrite means only the >>> removal of the credits it is questionable. >> >> >> >> This is irrelevant. We're not questioning whether Hans Reiser has the >> right to license his own software to prohibit the removal of large >> messages. The questions being asked are: >> >> 1. Is software licensed in the manner Hans intends DFSG-free? That is, >> is it DFSG-free to require that interactive programs output a full >> page of sponsorship information? (That's a question for debian-legal.) >> If not, it can not be distributed in Debian and will be relegated to >> non-free. >> >> 2. Is the software licensed consistently? If not, it's probably not >> legally safe to distribute at all, and will be removed entirely unless >> Hans clarifies the licensing. >> >> Another question that comes to mind: has ReiserFS used code from projects >> licensed under the GPL? If so, he can not, in fact, place this extra >> restriction, as it would be in violation of GPL clause 6. This isn't a >> special issue for programs under completely different licenses; they know >> they're not GPL-compatible and don't use GPL code. However, when people >> use "modified" GPL licenses, they often don't realise that they can no >> longer use code from other GPL projects. >> >> >>> But first of all, before we continue this discussion: What exactly >>> has been removed? A readme file, the outputs during boot time, the >>> outputs of mkfs.reiserfs? Has this output any impact on the usability >>> of the software, so that there were good reasons the remove it? Has >>> the license been violated by removing the credits? >> >> >> >> It's been suggested that the removed message is the one referenced in >> this bug report: >> >> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=152547 >> >> Impact and "good reasons" don't matter. Debian requires that users be >> granted the right to do certain things regardless of whether they have >> "good reasons". If Hans doesn't want to grant those rights to users, >> that's may be his choice, but Debian won't distribute his software. >> > > I find this discussion quite annoying. I thought war is over now?! This > discussion seems to come up every year now. > > > Can someone finally clearify why mkreiserfs _must_ advertise? > > > I use mkreiserfs from namesys ftp. And I use it every month running a > script within a Konsole that I later search for errors. I know the > mkreiserfs message by mind now. And I cut the unneeded lines > (advertising ones) always while pasting the important lines of output to > the logs. This would be simplified by a small patch not violating > previous content nor function... > > " ...Do You aggree with the Terms & Conditions before installation... > YES/No (Don't forget to type YES each time for sponsor A, B & C)." > I don't want that kind of "progression" in any reiserfsprog! > > > Happy holidays and some wunderful sunny days, > > Manuel > Addon: Shouldn't we moreover help on general performance or usability issues?! e.g. fix the error-predicted "-f" // "-ff" setting of recent mkreiserfs': --------------080906060707070903030304 Content-Type: text/plain; name="rfs.mkreiserfs.out.3.6.6-pre1.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="rfs.mkreiserfs.out.3.6.6-pre1.txt" # mkreiserfs <-------------mkreiserfs, 2003-------------> reiserfsprogs 3.6.6-pre1 Usage: mkreiserfs [options] device [block-count] Options: -b | --block-size N size of file-system block, in bytes -j | --journal-device FILE path to separate device to hold journal -s | --journal-size N size of the journal in blocks -o | --journal-offset N offset of the journal from the start of the separate device, in blocks -t | --transaction-max-size N maximal size of transaction, in blocks -h | --hash rupasov|tea|r5 hash function to use by default -u | --uuid UUID store UUID in the superblock -l | --label LABEL store LABEL in the superblock --format 3.5|3.6 old 3.5 format or newer 3.6 -f | --force specified once, make mkreiserfs the whole disk, not block device or mounted partition; specified twice, do not ask for confirmation -d | --debug print debugging information during mkreiser -V print version and exit --------------080906060707070903030304--