From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:29:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ED313F3.805@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305262339510.19197-100000@home.transmeta.com>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> One prime example of this is cdrecord, and the incredible braindamage that
> the name "SCSI" foisted upon it. Why? Because everybody (ie schily)
> _knows_ that SCSI is addressed by bus/id/lun, and thinks that anything
> else is wrong. So you have total idiocies like the "cdrecord -scanbus"
> crap for finding your device, and totally useless naming that makes no
> sense in any sane environment.
>
> Calling something SCSI when it isn't brings on these kinds of bad things:
> people make assuptions that aren't sensible or desireable.
>
> Names have power. There's baggage and assumptions in a name. In the case
> of SCSI, there is a _lot_ of baggage.
Now that argument I can buy.
There's still helper functions to be created before a native block
driver can directly use struct requests for fully native queueing.
Brand new device, host registration code. PM, hotplug, yadda yadda. It
winds up being a lot of code still, and it not as simple as you and Jens
seem to be making the task out to be. That's why I brought up
/dev/{disk,floppy,cdrom}...
If all that work is to be done for a brand new, native block driver, we
should at least intend on using the code as a bus-agnostic command
transport layer, with packages of helpers like my current "libata" doing
the command set work (and sometimes, some amount of low-level driver
work, where commonality exists).
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-05-27 7:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-26 4:58 [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 5:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 5:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 5:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 6:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 20:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 0:29 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27 6:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 6:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 6:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 7:29 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-05-26 5:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 5:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 6:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:24 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 17:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 17:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 18:11 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 0:22 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27 4:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 10:32 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26 11:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 11:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26 5:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-05-26 6:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-02 9:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-06-02 13:56 ` Alan Cox
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-26 18:12 James Bottomley
2003-05-26 18:18 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 18:47 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:07 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 19:17 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:33 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 12:39 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 17:16 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:09 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 18:21 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:30 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:36 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:51 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:56 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:38 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:57 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 21:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 23:58 ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27 0:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 0:49 ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27 0:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27 6:54 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:20 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 14:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 14:59 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 15:38 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 16:00 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 16:16 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-28 9:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-28 10:50 ` Lincoln Dale
2003-05-27 19:43 ` Jens Axboe
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