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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 03:29:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3ED313F3.805@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305262339510.19197-100000@home.transmeta.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> One prime example of this is cdrecord, and the incredible braindamage that
> the name "SCSI" foisted upon it. Why? Because everybody (ie schily)  
> _knows_ that SCSI is addressed by bus/id/lun, and thinks that anything
> else is wrong. So you have total idiocies like the "cdrecord -scanbus"  
> crap for finding your device, and totally useless naming that makes no 
> sense in any sane environment.
> 
> Calling something SCSI when it isn't brings on these kinds of bad things: 
> people make assuptions that aren't sensible or desireable.
> 
> Names have power. There's baggage and assumptions in a name. In the case
> of SCSI, there is a _lot_ of baggage.


Now that argument I can buy.

There's still helper functions to be created before a native block 
driver can directly use struct requests for fully native queueing. 
Brand new device, host registration code.  PM, hotplug, yadda yadda.  It 
winds up being a lot of code still, and it not as simple as you and Jens 
seem to be making the task out to be.  That's why I brought up 
/dev/{disk,floppy,cdrom}...

If all that work is to be done for a brand new, native block driver, we 
should at least intend on using the code as a bus-agnostic command 
transport layer, with packages of helpers like my current "libata" doing 
the command set work (and sometimes, some amount of low-level driver 
work, where commonality exists).

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-27  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-26  4:58 [BK PATCHES] add ata scsi driver Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  5:30   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:36     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  5:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  6:01         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:47             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 20:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  0:29                 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  6:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27  6:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  6:51                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  7:29                       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-05-26  5:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26  5:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26  6:21         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 16:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 17:24             ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 17:54               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 17:59               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 18:11                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27  0:22       ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  4:15         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 10:32     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26 11:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-26 11:37         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2003-05-26  5:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-05-26  6:03   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-02  9:46 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-06-02 13:56   ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-26 18:12 James Bottomley
2003-05-26 18:18 ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 18:47   ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:07     ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 19:17       ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 19:33         ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 12:39           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:26             ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 17:16               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:09                 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 18:21                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 18:30                     ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:36           ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:51               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:56               ` James Bottomley
2003-05-26 20:38           ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 20:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 20:57               ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-26 21:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-26 23:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27  0:09                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27  0:49                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-05-27  0:16                   ` Alan Cox
2003-05-27  6:54                   ` Jens Axboe
2003-05-27 14:20                     ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 14:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-05-27 14:59                       ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:21                         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 15:38                           ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 15:50                             ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-27 16:00                               ` James Bottomley
2003-05-27 16:16                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-05-28  9:35                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-28 10:50                           ` Lincoln Dale
2003-05-27 19:43                       ` Jens Axboe

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