From: Edward Shushkin <edward@namesys.com>
To: tdwebste2@yahoo.com
Cc: "Zhao, Forrest" <forrest.zhao@intel.com>, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Several questions about encrypted filesystem
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:22:32 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EEF4E58.1E61F66F@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030617161725.17287.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com
Timothy Webster wrote:
>
> Hi,
> The first question in my mind is always key
> management. By that I mean, where are the keys stored,
> how are does key rotation occurr, who holds the keys
> for shared files, (by this I mean serveral authers
> contributed to a file).
>
> 1) Shared files, and file parts.
> In order to address this situation. Access needs to be
> broken into parts, authenication, authorization,
> encryption/decryption. These can be though as an
> "signed authenication module", "trusted authorization
> database server", "signed encryption/decryption
> module". By signed and trusted, I mean the local
> authenication and encryption modules care out a secure
> hand shake with the authorization server. The
> authenitcation module must prove that its code trust
> worthy to the authorization server. And the
> authorization server must prove to the authenication
> module that it is "the" authorization server the
> authenication module was designed to trust. And
> similarly for the encryption/decryption module.
> Why all this work? So that each can be run by
> different users perhaps on different hosts, such as
> "SAN".
>
> 2) Key rotation and backups
> Over time the number of keys quickly become
> prohibitive. You need to in stead store the "seed key
> and the dimension" of multi-dimension key space. The
> multi-dimension key space is actually several key
> spaces combined to make a higher dimensional key
> space.
> The key space is created by sequencal encryption of
> the seed key inserted into dimension space controlled
> by a "secure" psedo-random walk. When a new key is
> required it is taken form the mult-dimensional key
> space as the next index number. Keys don't need to use
> all the deminsion in its index number.
Ok, this requires additional identification (key, seed).
So if you export a key created 10 years ago, then there
will be only one key in the appropriate multi-dimension
key space, right? ;)
Edward.
Which allows
> transition to new key spaces as old ones get filled.
> Or Remote sites which will ofcourse have different key
> spaces.
>
> At some point in the future a particular key is
> required, it is retrived by first regenating the key
> space, then using the key in the key space specified
> my the "particular" key's index number. There is no
> reason that the key's index number and key space
> "number" can not be stored in the clear, lets say in
> the file header.
>
> Using this method there is basically unlimited keys
> available, and they can be stored and retrived
> efficently.
>
> This is brief and incomplete.
> -tim
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-06-17 17:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-06-17 2:14 Several questions about encrypted filesystem Zhao, Forrest
2003-06-17 11:41 ` Edward Shushkin
2003-06-17 16:02 ` Hans Reiser
2003-06-18 7:37 ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2003-06-18 15:20 ` Edward Shushkin
2003-06-19 6:01 ` Heinz-Josef Claes
2003-06-17 16:17 ` Timothy Webster
2003-06-17 17:22 ` Edward Shushkin [this message]
2003-06-18 2:06 ` Timothy Webster
2003-06-18 8:26 ` Hans Reiser
2003-06-18 9:44 ` Timothy Webster
2003-06-18 10:01 ` Hans Reiser
2003-06-18 15:12 ` Timothy Webster
2003-06-18 15:20 ` Timothy Webster
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