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From: Willi Mann <newsletters@wm1.at>
To: netfilter@lists.netfilter.org, sh@realsecure.net
Subject: Re: Netfilter max simultaenous connections limit>?
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:19:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F55EA62.3090301@wm1.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030903122109.3410.58191.Mailman@netfilter-sponsored-by.noris.net>

> Hello,
> 
> We have high speed applications that open up hundreads of threads per
> computer very fast then close then open again.  At one time, we can have
> about 15000 tcp connections going through the firewall at once.  We've
> recently been adding more application servers but we're noticing that the
> bandwidth usage isn't going up intune with the number of computers, it's
> actually staying around the same.  We know this shouldn't be the case so am
> wondering if 15000+ connections is too much for a RH Linux+netfilter
> configuration using no stateful inspection just basic FORWARD'ing rules to
> block all traffic from those machines except one port coming in.  Our
> firewall rules:
> *filter
> :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
> :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
> :RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT - [0:0]
> -A INPUT -j RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 65456 --syn -j ACCEPT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
> -A FORWARD -d 192.168.168.0/27 -p udp -m udp --sport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A FORWARD -d 192.168.168.0/27 -p udp -m udp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT
> -A FORWARD -d 192.168.168.0/27 -p tcp -m tcp --syn -j DROP
> -A FORWARD -d 192.168.168.0/27 -p udp -j DROP
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp -s 0/0 --sport 53 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp -s 0/0 --dport 53 -d 0/0 -j ACCEPT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 --syn -j ACCEPT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --syn -j REJECT
> -A RH-Lokkit-0-50-INPUT -p udp -m udp -j REJECT
> 
> COMMIT
> 
> WE basically just allow nothing in to the subnet but everything out..
> 
> Our router is a P1.7ghz Celeron w/ 512mb ram and IDE disks and 2 3com NIC
> nic cards..  Is this insufficient?  Our b/w usage is a mere 2.5mbits, but we
> have about 8mbits available, and when it goes up, we seem to add more
> incoming bandwidth as outgoing, it looks as though the errors or timeouts
> are increasing.
> 
> Any ideas?  Do I have to increase a limit in anyway?
> 
Hi!
Conntrack always notes (in my expierence) the state of connections if 
loaded.

1) Check if ip_conntrack -module is loaded. (lsmod). If it is not and it 
is not directly compiled into the kernel, my ideas won't help you.

2) Check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max

3) Check /proc/net/ip_conntrack at high load. (wc -l ip_conntrack) If 
the value is close to 2) then you can:
*Set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max to a higher value (which seems 
to be the worst idea because connection-tracking without needing it just 
eats up ressources.)
*Try to remove ip_conntrack with rmmod.
*Check if the notrack module is available in your kernel. You would need 
an addition rule.
*Remove the ip_conntrack.o -module from
lib/modules/2.4.21/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter (Don't know if that makes 
problems)
*Compile the (RedHat-)kernel without connection-tracking. I think that 
this would be the best choice for your setup because it is the cleanest 
way.
*And as always in Linux, there might be other solutions I havn't 
considered.

Hope this helps and it's not that netfilter just hasn't got enough power 
for your needs.

Willi Mann



       reply	other threads:[~2003-09-03 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20030903122109.3410.58191.Mailman@netfilter-sponsored-by.noris.net>
2003-09-03 13:19 ` Willi Mann [this message]
2003-09-03 15:38   ` Netfilter max simultaenous connections limit>? Shaun Hedges
2003-09-05  9:03     ` Willi Mann
2003-09-02 23:23 Shaun Hedges

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