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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: precise characterization of ext3 atomicity
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:03:03 +0400
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To: Mike Fedyk <mfedyk@matchmail.com>
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Mike Fedyk wrote:

>On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 10:37:10PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
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>>Mike Fedyk wrote:
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>>>On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:25:18PM +0400, Hans Reiser wrote:
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>>>>In data=journal and data=ordered modes ext3 also guarantees that the 
>>>>metadata will be committed atomically with the data they point to.  
>>>>However ext3 does not provide user data atomicity guarantees beyond the 
>>>>scope of a single filesystem disk block (usually 4 kilobytes).  If a 
>>>>single write() spans two disk blocks it is possible that a crash partway 
>>>>through the write will result in only one of those blocks appearing in 
>>>>the file after recovery.
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>>>And how does reiser4 do this without changing the userspace apps?
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>>We don't.  We just make the hovercraft, we don't force you to go over 
>>the water.....
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>So by default with no user space modifications, reiser4 will be atomic for
>each write() call, and ext3 will if it aligns withing a single page.
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>Is that correct?
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Yes.

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>Then you can go on to specify that you can have larger transactions if you
>make some changes to the userspace apps.
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or you are a programmer who writes code....;-)  It's not that hard to 
write code....;-)

-- 
Hans