From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
Cc: Eli Billauer <eli_billauer@users.sourceforge.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:31:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3F8EC7D0.5000003@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031016102020.A7000@schatzie.adilger.int>
Andreas Dilger wrote:
> Actually, there are several applications of low-cost RNG inside the kernel.
>
> For Lustre we need a low-cost RNG for generating opaque 64-bit handles in
> the kernel. The use of get_random_bytes() showed up near the top of
> our profiles and we had to invent our own low-cost crappy PRNG instead (it's
> good enough for the time being, but when we start working on real security
> it won't be enough).
>
> The tcp sequence numbers probably do not need to be crypto-secure (I could
> of course be wrong on that ;-) and with GigE or 10GigE I imagine the number
> of packets being sent would put a strain on the current random pool.
We don't need "low cost RNG" and "high cost RNG" in the same kernel.
That just begs a "reduce RNG cost" solution... I think security experts
can easily come up with arguments as to why creating your own "low-cost
crappy PRNG" isn't needed -- you either need crypto-secure, or you
don't. If you don't, then you could just as easily create an ascending
64-bit number for your opaque filehandle, or use a hash value, or some
other solution that doesn't require an additional PRNG in the kernel.
For VIA CPUs, life is easy. Use xstore insn and "You've got bytes!" :)
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-16 16:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-16 8:22 [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 8:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 10:20 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 10:48 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 11:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 12:27 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 15:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 16:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 16:31 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2003-10-16 18:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:31 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:40 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 21:03 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 23:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-17 0:34 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 17:45 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 18:38 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 19:08 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:27 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 20:37 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 17:31 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:03 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 23:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:13 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:35 ` jw schultz
2003-10-21 19:24 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 19:55 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:21 ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-21 22:18 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22 1:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 19:17 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 22:08 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22 1:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-22 2:56 ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 16:22 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-23 2:46 ` Dale Farnsworth
2003-10-23 3:22 ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-23 14:15 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-24 17:37 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-24 17:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-24 20:59 ` David Wagner
2003-10-24 21:33 ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 3:49 ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-16 10:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-21 19:30 ` bill davidsen
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2003-10-16 17:46 ` David Mosberger-Tang
2003-10-16 19:28 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 20:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-21 19:46 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-16 21:30 ` Matt Mackall
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