From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: swiotlb: Keep the default size for protected guests
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 15:08:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3cccd2d2-b59c-47ec-8a87-f504a5427576@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260810130818.GN200537@ziepe.ca>
On 10/08/2026 2:08 pm, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 12:46:51PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 01:37:11PM +0200, Marek Szyprowski wrote:
>>> On 10.08.2026 12:20, Will Deacon wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 02:59:42PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
>>>>> Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07.08.2026 20:20, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 07, 2026 at 06:13:49PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
>>>>>>>> But the whole thing is best effort anyway, the kernel picks
>>>>>>>> IO_TLB_DEFAULT_SIZE which does not depend on the system topology or
>>>>>>>> how many devices or how much DMA they do.
>>>>>>>> SWIOTLB memory is wasted if unused so we should be careful around
>>>>>>>> that as it would be the other way around and users would have to
>>>>>>>> decrease it manually.
>>>>>>> Yeah, it is why the arch code shouldn't really be sizing it directly,
>>>>>>> it should be done in common code and, yes, we are probably going to
>>>>>>> have to do something alot smarter to have the common code better
>>>>>>> auto-tune this for the CC case..
>>>>>> What about the $subject patch? I assume that it is still needed to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> restore the behavior that was altered by the "[PATCH v8 00/23]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dma-mapping: Track shared DMA state through direct, pool and swiotlb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paths?" patchset?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would request that we pick this patch to fix the regression described
>>>>> in https://lore.kernel.org/all/yq5azeyxyfol.fsf@kernel.org/.
>>>> I really don't think we need it. CCA hardware isn't exactly widespread
>>>> and the KVM host side patches don't appear close to being merged.
>>>
>>> Does this mean that the branch for-next/coco [1] won't go to v7.3-rc1?
>
> Let's not make progress on guest support contingent on KVM CCA host
> side patches please. I expect the CSPs will have VM instance types
> available based on CCA within quarters, and Linux as a Guest should
> work in those environments regardless of what KVM is doing. I don't
> really expect full KVM support for years, frankly, the patchset is
> massive. Even Intel and AMD don't have full KVM support yet.
>
> People already have CCA capable HW, are already testing this stuff and
> the closer upstream can get to being workable as a guest without a
> mountain of OOT patches the better.
>
> I agree the thing is not ideal, but it was merged to ARM like this a
> long time ago, this patch is just fixing a small oopsie (was it a
> merge conflict?) to put it back. I don't the objection.
Yup, it seems pretty clearly like a straightforward bug in this series
(or maybe even just the merge resolution), where it should have just
removed the use of SWIOTLB_FORCE, but changing the if/else structure
inadvertently upset the whole flow in a way that it shouldn't have.
For a fix patch it might be clearer to restore the "(is_realm_world() ||
is_protected_kvm_guest())" condition exactly as before, then save any
further refactoring for the next round of new development. And if there
is a concern that skipping the resizing wastes memory for pKVM, then
surely that falls on e62decaf98e7 ("arm64/coco: Add pKVM as a CC
platform") which intentionally added that logic.
I do concur that there's not necessarily a mad panic to get this into
Marek's 7.3 pull, as folks trying to use linux-next or bleeding-edge
mainline for CCA work (or indeed anything) should know the risks, but it
should at least be one for the 7.3-rc fixes cycle. Aneesh, FYI generally
once things are queued, please just send follow-up fixes as their own
thing rather than replies, for maximum clarity.
Thanks,
Robin.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-10 14:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-17 18:04 [PATCH v8 00/23] dma-mapping: Track shared DMA state through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 01/23] dma-direct: return struct page from dma_direct_alloc_from_pool() Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-21 11:54 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-21 14:20 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-21 14:29 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-21 15:10 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-21 15:33 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-22 19:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-23 7:57 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-25 14:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-26 8:17 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-27 4:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-27 11:40 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-28 12:31 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-28 14:24 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 02/23] dma-pool: fix page leak in atomic_pool_expand() cleanup Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-21 12:31 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-21 14:41 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-21 15:34 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 03/23] iommu/dma: Check atomic pool allocation result directly Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 04/23] dma: free atomic pool pages by physical address Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 05/23] swiotlb: Preserve allocation virtual address for dynamic pools Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:25 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 06/23] s390: Expose protected virtualization through cc_platform_has() Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 07/23] dma-direct: swiotlb: handle swiotlb alloc/free outside __dma_direct_alloc_pages Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:26 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 08/23] coco: arm64: s390: powerpc: Mark secure guests with CC_ATTR_GUEST_MEM_ENCRYPT Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 09/23] dma-mapping: Add internal shared allocation attribute Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:25 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 10/23] dma-direct: use __DMA_ATTR_ALLOC_CC_SHARED in alloc/free paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 11/23] dma-pool: track decrypted atomic pools and select them via attrs Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 12/23] dma: swiotlb: pass mapping attributes by reference Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:41 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-29 9:05 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-29 10:08 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-29 12:42 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-04 14:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-05 9:10 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-05 12:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-07 11:03 ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-07 11:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-07 15:54 ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-07 17:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-10 14:18 ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-10 15:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 13/23] dma: swiotlb: track pool encryption state and honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 14/23] dma-mapping: make dma_pgprot() honor __DMA_ATTR_ALLOC_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 15/23] dma-direct: pass attrs to dma_capable() for DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED checks Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:30 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-29 9:09 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-30 21:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 16/23] dma-direct: Move dma_direct_map_phys() to dma/direct.c Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 17/23] dma-direct: make dma_direct_map_phys() honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-08-07 9:26 ` [PATCH] arm64: swiotlb: Keep the default size for protected guests Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-08-07 9:35 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-07 11:58 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-07 13:03 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-07 13:18 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-07 13:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-07 15:34 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-07 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-07 18:13 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-07 18:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-10 9:13 ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-08-10 9:29 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-10 10:20 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-10 11:37 ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-08-10 11:46 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-10 13:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-10 14:08 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2026-08-10 14:14 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-10 15:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2026-08-10 15:58 ` Will Deacon
2026-08-10 16:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2026-08-10 14:33 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-07 18:00 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-10 5:00 ` Michael Kelley
2026-08-10 13:15 ` Robin Murphy
2026-08-07 17:59 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 18/23] dma-direct: set decrypted flag for remapped DMA allocations Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 19/23] dma-direct: select DMA address encoding from __DMA_ATTR_ALLOC_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-28 14:31 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 20/23] dma-direct: rename ret to cpu_addr in alloc helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 21/23] dma: swiotlb: free dynamic pools from process context Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 22/23] dma: swiotlb: handle set_memory_decrypted() failures Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-17 18:04 ` [PATCH v8 23/23] swiotlb: remove unused SWIOTLB_FORCE flag Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-07-21 12:40 ` [PATCH v8 00/23] dma-mapping: Track shared DMA state through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-22 19:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-23 7:51 ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-07-25 14:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-25 7:09 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-07-31 7:33 ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-08-07 9:21 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-08-07 9:51 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-08-07 10:04 ` Marek Szyprowski
2026-07-28 14:22 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-07-29 9:12 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
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