From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261827AbUBJWDN (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:03:13 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261928AbUBJWDN (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:03:13 -0500 Received: from neon-gw-l3.transmeta.com ([63.209.4.196]:52236 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261827AbUBJWDL (ORCPT ); Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:03:11 -0500 Message-ID: <40295509.1050100@zytor.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:02:49 -0800 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Organization: Zytor Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031030 X-Accept-Language: en, sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Theodore Ts'o" CC: Bill Davidsen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Does anyone still care about BSD ptys? References: <1ne1M-1Oc-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <4029364F.9030905@tmr.com> <20040210215225.GA1666@thunk.org> In-Reply-To: <20040210215225.GA1666@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 02:51:43PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > >>Sorry, last reply "just went" for some reason... ijn any case I hope the >>number and tone of replies has shown that a number of people DO care, >>and that "you can just program around it with your effort instead of >>mine" isn't going to be popular. >> >>In other words, this sounds more like 2.7 material where people expect >>things to change than something which should just suddenly break in 2.6. >>Violation of Plauger's Law of Least Astonishment and all that. > > > I think the discussion has always been that this would be a 2.7 item. > > However, it might be useful to make 2.6 start issueing printk's *now* > when a program uses a BSD pty, so that application programs have > plenty of notice that they will be going away. > The way it looks right now it's not going to matter; it appears that (optionally) continuing to supporting BSD ptys will "fall out naturally" at least initially. Ted, could I ask you to eyeball my patch to see how broken it is? -hpa