From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] speed up SATA
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:55:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40671FAF.6080501@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040328181502.GO24370@suse.de>
Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28 2004, Jamie Lokier wrote:
>
>>Jens Axboe wrote:
>>
>>>Sorry, but I cannot disagree more. You think an artificial limit at
>>>the block layer is better than one imposed at the driver end, which
>>>actually has a lot more of an understanding of what hardware it is
>>>driving? This makes zero sense to me. Take floppy.c for instance, I
>>>really don't want 1MB requests there, since that would take a minute
>>>to complete. And I might not want 1MB requests on my Super-ZXY
>>>storage, because that beast completes io easily at an iorate of
>>>200MB/sec.
>>
>>The driver doesn't know how fast the drive is either.
>>
>>Without timing the drive, interface, and for different request sizes,
>>neither the block layer _nor_ the driver know a suitable size.
Nod, this is pretty much my objection to hardcoding an artificial limit
in the driver...
> The driver may not know exactly, but it does know a ball park figure.
> You know if you are driving floppy (sucky transfer and latency), hard
> drive, cdrom (decent transfer, sucky seeks), etc.
Agreed. Really we have two types of information:
* the device's hard limit
* the default limit that should be applied to that class of devices
I would much rather do something like
blk_queue_set_class(q, CLASS_DISK)
and have that default per-class policy
switch (class) {
case CLASS_DISK:
q->max_sectors = min(q->max_sectors, CLASS_DISK_MAX_SECTORS);
...
than hardcode the limit in the driver. That's easy and quick. That's a
minimal solution that gives me what I want -- don't hardcode generic
limits in the driver -- while IMO giving you what you want, a sane limit
in an easy way.
Right now we are hardcoding the same per-class limits into each floppy
driver, each disk driver, etc. At the very least devices that act the
same way should all be using the same tunable, whether it's a
compile-time tunable (CLASS_xxx_MAX_SECTORS) or a runtime tunable.
Long term, the IO scheduler and the VM should really be figuring out the
best request size, from zero to <hardware limit>.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-28 18:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-27 22:37 [PATCH] speed up SATA Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:04 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-27 23:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 7:23 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 15:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-27 23:32 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-27 23:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:13 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 0:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 11:42 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-27 23:37 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-27 23:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-27 23:47 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-27 23:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 14:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:35 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:54 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:08 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 18:15 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-03-29 8:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 12:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 12:44 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 12:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 13:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-29 13:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 8:13 ` Kurt Garloff
2004-03-30 11:40 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 17:19 ` Craig I. Hagan
2004-03-29 18:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 19:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 18:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-28 18:17 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:30 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 18:30 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:45 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-28 18:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:32 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 20:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-29 4:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-29 13:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-29 19:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 11:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 15:54 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-30 16:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:05 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-30 17:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-03-29 4:29 ` Wim Coekaerts
2004-03-29 7:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-03-29 8:13 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-29 13:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-29 4:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-29 4:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 19:52 ` Nuno Silva
2004-03-28 20:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:15 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 0:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 1:02 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 1:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 13:59 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:31 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 13:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:50 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-04-02 10:11 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-04-02 16:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-03 10:48 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-04-03 13:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-28 17:40 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:55 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 18:09 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 20:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 20:54 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 7:32 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 20:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 21:16 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-28 21:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 17:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 17:45 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-28 20:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-28 0:07 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-28 0:21 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 4:40 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 6:56 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-28 20:33 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-28 20:59 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-29 1:30 ` Nick Piggin
2004-03-29 5:24 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-29 13:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 11:36 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-29 18:46 ` David Lang
2004-03-29 20:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 5:55 ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-03-30 11:54 ` Marc Bevand
2004-03-30 13:07 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 13:48 ` Marc Bevand
2004-03-30 13:49 ` Jens Axboe
2004-03-30 15:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 9:12 ` Marc Bevand
2004-03-30 12:16 ` Marc Bevand
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-31 5:47 Marcus Hartig
2004-03-31 6:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-31 16:07 ` Marcus Hartig
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