From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: <40928925.3050703@namesys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: MJ Ray Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com MJ Ray wrote: > On 2004-04-30 17:26:50 +0100 Michael Milverton > wrote: > >> I read this as meaning the following. Nobody is allowed to take the >> product that we produce and rename it into something else, thereby >> making it look as though it really belongs to someone else. > > > You just ignored the bit where he forbids supression of the "credits" > banner? I am flexible on the phrasing of this, and can allow some phrasing such as credits must be kept equally prominent and extensive. > Although you might be able to argue for some form of this, it is > clearly more restrictive than what is written in the GPL. > >> and it is these people who are going against the spirit of the GPL. >> What is the point of having the code copyrighted to Hans Reiser in >> the source code when all the end user gets to see is that this >> software is called company X. > > > It's a problem of degrees. Reasonable attribution is fine, but if > every command run in boot scrips output a screen of credits, just the > scrolling display would add considerably to the time and go past too > quick for anyone to read anything, for example. What is the point of > having the program attributed to Hans Reiser when all the end user > gets to see is a blur, or becomes used to skipping these messages? > >> I think people need to be more sensitive to the feelings of people >> that put such a huge amount of heart and soul into their software and >> not be so quick in dismissing their concerns. [...] > > > I agree with this. I think the same consideration should be given to > the debian developers. This whole feud seems to have started because a > debian package maintainer responded to a bug report Said maintainer added a bug in the process of removing credits, and thus we found out the credits were removed. Your phrasing was not a good description > from a debian user and then they were accused of plagiarism in a > confrontational response. Not really a sinister plot to steal Hans > Reiser's work. > But others out there ARE willing to do so, look at RedHat and KDE.... or consider various startups I know of that are more than a bit slimy about things like squid.