From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:11:29 -0700 Message-ID: <40967D41.705@namesys.com> References: <20040424193246.GA2490@raptus.homelinux.org> <4091DAFE.5030809@namesys.com> <20040430055619.GD7487@archimedes.ucr.edu> <40923D1C.3090003@namesys.com> <20040430174343.GE7487@archimedes.ucr.edu> <409561EE.7030000@namesys.com> <20040502215500.GB18235@xieana.donarmstrong.com> <20040503065830.GS29226@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040503065830.GS29226@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?UTF-8?B?TWFya3VzIFTDtnJucXZpc3Q=?= Cc: debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com Markus T=C3=B6rnqvist wrote: > > =20 > >>Probably, but I fail to see how allowing the user to turn off the >>DARPA message decreases the end user's knowledge of who funded it. >> =20 >> > >Credits unread are credits unknown. > =20 > The problem is not the end user, the problem is that distros do it=20 without the end user ever knowing that there was something to turn off. > > =20 > >>The end user can choose to read it, or they can choose not >>to. Regardless, they should not be assaulted by the credits or forced >>to read them. Going back to journal articles, is the funding grant >>number emblazoned in 24 point font above the article title?[1] >> =20 >> > >What if there just were a compromise? > >Of course it sucks if Reiser4 gets only into non-free, because it would >never then be in the official installer. Besides, from what I've understoo= d, >Debian developers spend quite some time bickering amongst themselves, caus= ing >the Sarge installer to be delayed by a year or so and having the possibili= ty >of completely detaching non-free from Debian. > >What this probably means is that the DDs will be fighting each other over >stuff like this for eons and eons and if non-free is detached entirely >it will be even more difficult to get a non-free installer with Reiser4 >on it. At least now it could be downloadable from Debian, unless some >policy forbids hosting of non-free installers but not non-free software. > >I know it's a tough bullet to bite for Hans if he just removed the addition >to the license and formatted the credits so that no-one would even want >to remove them. AFAIK the reason they were removed was that they were too >big. > >Oh, and the funding grant thing, weren't the credits of mkfs.reiserfs >in the end? Where else? It's not like they were flooded all the bloody >time in 24-point font above the title... > >I should probably run an mkfs.reiser4 and see the notorious credits, becau= se >I can't remember anything offensive about them. > > =20 > There is nothing offensive about them. We reduced them to a random=20 credit, rather than an exhaustive credit like they were. Now users=20 might actually take the time to read them.;-)