From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: 2 Terabyte install Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 15:58:07 -0700 Message-ID: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="------------030804050508070806020108" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com List-Id: To: Reiserfs mail-list --------------030804050508070806020108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems with the following combinations? My googling has produced inconsistent answers. { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd find out what the bounds were for sure. Thanks, Cliff -- This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender and delete the message. Thank you. --------------030804050508070806020108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems with the following combinations?  My googling has produced inconsistent answers.
{ linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 }
We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives).  We have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB.

Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, reiserfs3).  I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd find out what the bounds were for sure.

Thanks,

Cliff

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--------------030804050508070806020108-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Vladimir Saveliev Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:18:52 +0400 Message-ID: <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Reiserfs mail-list Hello On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: > What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems > with the following combinations? My googling has produced > inconsistent answers. > { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs > We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a > scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We > have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. > > Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, > reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd > find out what the bounds were for sure. > I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. > Thanks, > > Cliff > > -- > > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the > addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone > the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, > please advise the sender and delete the message. Thank you. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:17:20 -0700 Message-ID: <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Vladimir Saveliev Cc: Clifford Beshers , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Vladimir Saveliev wrote: >Hello > >On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: > > >>What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems >>with the following combinations? My googling has produced >>inconsistent answers. >> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } >> >> > >http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs > > > >>We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a >>scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We >>have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. >> >>Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, >>reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd >>find out what the bounds were for sure. >> >> >> > >I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install >linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. > > > >>Thanks, >> >>Cliff >> >>-- >> >>This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the >>addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone >>the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, >>please advise the sender and delete the message. Thank you. >> >> > > > > > Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 limits. Vitaly, please assist. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Hans Reiser Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the right things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should have the answers. So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, but the system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but my guessis either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. Hans Reiser wrote: > Vladimir Saveliev wrote: > >> Hello >> >> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: >> >> >>> What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems >>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced >>> inconsistent answers. >>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } >>> >> >> >> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs >> >> >> >>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a >>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We >>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. >>> >>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, >>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd >>> find out what the bounds were for sure. >>> >>> >> >> >> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install >> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. >> >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Cliff >>> >>> -- >>> >>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive >>> for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the >>> message or any information contained in the message. If you have >>> received the message in error, please advise the sender and delete >>> the message. Thank you. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 > limits. Vitaly, please assist. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Lamont R. Peterson" Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:38:34 -0600 Message-ID: <1083951514.2985.28.camel@wraith.lrp.advansoft.us> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> Reply-To: lamont@gurulabs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0Ch1uQEXQC4hKYqDyFNn" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> List-Id: To: Reiserfs mail-list --=-0Ch1uQEXQC4hKYqDyFNn Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 10:48, Clifford Beshers wrote: > Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three=20 > minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the right=20 > things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should have=20 > the answers. I know how you feel. You are not alone in this :-). > So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that=20 > fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, but the=20 > system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but my guessis=20 > either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. I have found sfdisk to be less than useful, most of the time. Though I have not tried it with a 2TB device before, I was not surprised by this, at all. [SNIP] --=20 Lamont R. Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs, L.C. http://www.GuruLabs.com/ --=-0Ch1uQEXQC4hKYqDyFNn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAm8maRK8Q4zt1QRURAqwvAJ4oayH6vg7Mgv4OrppDKata+wDmxwCg2VQz YeTnTEaxOCSfSKWsG87sAww= =4wf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0Ch1uQEXQC4hKYqDyFNn-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Lamont R. Peterson" Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:44:20 -0600 Message-ID: <1083951860.2985.35.camel@wraith.lrp.advansoft.us> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> Reply-To: lamont@gurulabs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-SAZq47qTH4hFxz7m7kkD" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> List-Id: To: Reiserfs mail-list --=-SAZq47qTH4hFxz7m7kkD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 16:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: > What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems > with the following combinations? My googling has produced > inconsistent answers. > { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } > We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a > scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We > have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. Under the 2.4 kernels, the VFS limits a single device to 2TB; I think the exact value, IIRC, is (2^41)-1 bytes. For the 2.6 kernel, I have read that this was raised to approximately 16TB, though I have not taken the time yet to verify this in the source. > Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, > reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd > find out what the bounds were for sure. OK, the kernel should not be limiting it (unless there is something stupid in the 3ware driver). I think Vitally would the one to answer whether reiserfs3 could be limiting it. Is mkreiserfs thinking that the VFS will stop it at 2TB, perhaps? --=20 Lamont R. Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs, L.C. http://www.GuruLabs.com/ --=-SAZq47qTH4hFxz7m7kkD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAm8r0RK8Q4zt1QRURAqr8AJ9n1jc4TnWbVKR3TRL5HEgyY9ZTdwCgm8O3 UzM1HIWDYE0LwOn3bku9zEw= =xPoi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-SAZq47qTH4hFxz7m7kkD-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:53:27 -0700 Message-ID: <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Clifford Beshers wrote: > Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three > minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the right > things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should > have the answers. > > So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that > fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, but the > system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but my guessis > either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us know. Be suspicious of the device driver.... > > Hans Reiser wrote: > >> Vladimir Saveliev wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> >>> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems >>>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced >>>> inconsistent answers. >>>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs >>> >>> >>> >>>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a >>>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We >>>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. >>>> >>>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, >>>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd >>>> find out what the bounds were for sure. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install >>> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Cliff >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive >>>> for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the >>>> message or any information contained in the message. If you have >>>> received the message in error, please advise the sender and delete >>>> the message. Thank you. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 >> limits. Vitaly, please assist. > > > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Vladimir Karavelov" Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:23:48 +0300 Message-ID: <01e501c4376b$f5cb8280$0302a8c0@karavelov> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Hans Reiser , Clifford Beshers Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Hi to everybody there, If you are using 75xx or 85xx series controller there is a 2TB limitation per RAId volume. Are you shure that you are using newes 3ware 9500S series controller? rgds Vladimir ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Reiser" To: "Clifford Beshers" Cc: "Vladimir Saveliev" ; "Reiserfs mail-list" ; "Vitaly Fertman" Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install > Clifford Beshers wrote: > > > Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three > > minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the right > > things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should > > have the answers. > > > > So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that > > fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, but the > > system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but my guessis > > either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. > > If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us > know. Be suspicious of the device driver.... > > > > > Hans Reiser wrote: > > > >> Vladimir Saveliev wrote: > >> > >>> Hello > >>> > >>> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems > >>>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced > >>>> inconsistent answers. > >>>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a > >>>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We > >>>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. > >>>> > >>>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, > >>>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd > >>>> find out what the bounds were for sure. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install > >>> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Cliff > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and > >>>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive > >>>> for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the > >>>> message or any information contained in the message. If you have > >>>> received the message in error, please advise the sender and delete > >>>> the message. Thank you. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 > >> limits. Vitaly, please assist. > > > > > > > > > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:51:51 -0700 Message-ID: <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030705050309020007030402" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> List-Id: To: Hans Reiser Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman --------------030705050309020007030402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the help everyone. In the end, it turned out that sfdisk is indeed the culprit. We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then asked sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx. Unfortunately, this means we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to creating partitions. If the word ``parted'' is on the tip of your tongue I'll bet you haven't actually used the thing... There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. While I'm here, I have some other questions: * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it different for Reiser4? * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a partition without mounting it? Cliff Hans Reiser wrote: > Clifford Beshers wrote: > >> Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three >> minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the right >> things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should >> have the answers. >> >> So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that >> fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, but the >> system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but my >> guessis either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. > > > If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us > know. Be suspicious of the device driver.... > >> >> Hans Reiser wrote: >> >>> Vladimir Saveliev wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> What are the current size limitations for >>>>> disks/partitions/filesystems >>>>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced >>>>> inconsistent answers. >>>>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a >>>>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives). We >>>>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. >>>>> >>>>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, >>>>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd >>>>> find out what the bounds were for sure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install >>>> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Cliff >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>>>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive >>>>> for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone >>>>> the message or any information contained in the message. If you >>>>> have received the message in error, please advise the sender and >>>>> delete the message. Thank you. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 >>> limits. Vitaly, please assist. >> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------030705050309020007030402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the help everyone.  In the end, it turned out that sfdisk is indeed the culprit.  We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then asked sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx.  Unfortunately, this means we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to creating partitions.  If the word ``parted'' is on the tip of your tongue  I'll bet you haven't actually used the thing...

There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5.

While I'm here, I have some other questions:
  • What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition?  It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition?  Is it different for Reiser4?
  • Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a partition without mounting it?
Cliff

Hans Reiser wrote:
Clifford Beshers wrote:

Thanks Hans, but no need.  I found the page in the FAQ about three minutes after I posted.  I get so used to google finding me the right things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know should have the answers.

So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but that fdisk succeeded.  After that the install proceeded normally, but the system didn't reboot.  I have to go get details on why, but my guessis either lilo or a missing module in the initrd.

If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us know.  Be  suspicious of the device driver....


Hans Reiser wrote:

Vladimir Saveliev wrote:

Hello

On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote:
 

What are the current size limitations for disks/partitions/filesystems
with the following combinations?  My googling has produced
inconsistent answers.
       { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 }
 



http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs

 

We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a
scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide drives).  We
have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB.

Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5,
reiserfs3).  I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd
find out what the bounds were for sure.

 



I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install
linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices.

 

Thanks,

Cliff

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Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 limits.  Vitaly, please assist.






--------------030705050309020007030402-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andreas Dilger Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Hans Reiser , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman On May 11, 2004 19:51 -0700, Clifford Beshers wrote: > Thanks for the help everyone. In the end, it turned out that sfdisk is > indeed the culprit. We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then asked > sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx. Unfortunately, this means > we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to creating > partitions. If the word ``parted'' is on the tip of your tongue I'll > bet you haven't actually used the thing... > > There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire > is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. > > While I'm here, I have some other questions: > > * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? It > seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it > different for Reiser4? AFAIK, reiserfs will do the initial zeroing of the journal and filesystem bitmaps at the first mount time instead of at mkreiserfs time. I don't know why it was done that way. > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a > partition without mounting it? Lots of them. "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33 and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE). Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Dilger http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/ http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Vladimir Saveliev Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:51:20 +0400 Message-ID: <1084344680.14089.4714.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Andreas Dilger Cc: Clifford Beshers , Reiserfs mail-list Hello On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 07:41, Andreas Dilger wrote: > On May 11, 2004 19:51 -0700, Clifford Beshers wrote: > > Thanks for the help everyone. In the end, it turned out that sfdisk is > > indeed the culprit. We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then asked > > sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx. Unfortunately, this means > > we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to creating > > partitions. If the word ``parted'' is on the tip of your tongue I'll > > bet you haven't actually used the thing... > > > > There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire > > is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. > > > > While I'm here, I have some other questions: > > > > * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? It > > seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it > > different for Reiser4? > > AFAIK, reiserfs will do the initial zeroing of the journal and filesystem > bitmaps at the first mount time instead of at mkreiserfs time. I don't > know why it was done that way. Hmm, I do not think that you are right. I guess reiserfs mount time is proportional to a partition size because reiserfs reads all bitmap blocks on mount. So does reiser4. > > > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a > > partition without mounting it? > > Lots of them. "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33 > and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of > things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE). > > Cheers, Andreas > -- > Andreas Dilger > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/ > http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Philippe =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Gramoull=E9?= Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:06:17 +0200 Message-ID: <20040512090617.15dee4d4@philou.gramoulle.local> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: reiserfs-list@namesys.com Hello, You can use gpart [1], which Namesys has a patch [2] for, on their web site, to support reiserfs. I tried it and it works just as expected. Thanks, Philippe [1] http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ [2] ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/misc-patches/gpart-0.1h-reiserfs-3.6.patch.gz On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:41:50 -0600 Andreas Dilger wrote: | > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a | > partition without mounting it? | | Lots of them. "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33 | and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of | things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE). | | Cheers, Andreas From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Clifford Beshers wrote: > Thanks for the help everyone. In the end, it turned out that sfdisk > is indeed the culprit. We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then > asked sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx. Unfortunately, > this means we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to > creating partitions. We can probably fix it for you if you like.... > If the word ``parted'' is on the tip of your tongue I'll bet you > haven't actually used the thing... > > There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire > is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. > > While I'm here, I have some other questions: > > * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? > It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it > different for Reiser4? > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a > partition without mounting it? > is the time a problem in practice, or just a curiousity point? > Cliff > > Hans Reiser wrote: > >> Clifford Beshers wrote: >> >>> Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three >>> minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the >>> right things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know >>> should have the answers. >>> >>> So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but >>> that fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, >>> but the system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but >>> my guessis either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. >> >> >> If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us >> know. Be suspicious of the device driver.... >> >>> >>> Hans Reiser wrote: >>> >>>> Vladimir Saveliev wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What are the current size limitations for >>>>>> disks/partitions/filesystems >>>>>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced >>>>>> inconsistent answers. >>>>>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a >>>>>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide >>>>>> drives). We >>>>>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, >>>>>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd >>>>>> find out what the bounds were for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install >>>>> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Cliff >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>>>>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to >>>>>> receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to >>>>>> anyone the message or any information contained in the message. >>>>>> If you have received the message in error, please advise the >>>>>> sender and delete the message. Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 >>>> limits. Vitaly, please assist. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Mike Benoit Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:24:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1084386280.6257.31.camel@ipso.snappymail.ca> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Hans Reiser Cc: Clifford Beshers , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 09:59, Hans Reiser wrote: > > There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire > > is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. > > > > While I'm here, I have some other questions: > > > > * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? > > It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it > > different for Reiser4? > > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a > > partition without mounting it? > > > is the time a problem in practice, or just a curiousity point? Hans, The last place I worked had a 2.5TB RAID array that had 10's of millions of files on it, basically a perfect fit for ReiserFS. However they rejected it simply because of the mount times. It was a slower machine (mainly used for dumb storage, however uptime was critical) but the mount times were just crazy, I don't have hard numbers, but if I recall correctly I was told around 5-10 minutes. Basically it made it so just kernel upgrades due to newly found exploits in a single year had the potential to breach the SLA's we had with customers, simply due to ReiserFS mount times. :( Obviously RAID arrays are getting larger and larger these days, uptime is critical, and reboots are a part of life when it comes to security and being on the internet. If ReiserFS V4's mount time is proportional to the size of the partition, I can see that being a huge concern for a lot of people. Especially people in large data centers where SLA's are signed with every customer, and minutes of downtime could mean writing cheques to customers. It would be a shame to see a masterpiece like ReiserFS V4 be rejected in large storage situations due to something as trivial as mount times. Is there anything that can be done to speed up mount times on ReiserFS's V3 or V4? Thanks. > > > Cliff > > > > Hans Reiser wrote: > > > >> Clifford Beshers wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks Hans, but no need. I found the page in the FAQ about three > >>> minutes after I posted. I get so used to google finding me the > >>> right things, I occasionally forget to just go to the place I know > >>> should have the answers. > >>> > >>> So far, I know that sfdisk choked on creating the partition, but > >>> that fdisk succeeded. After that the install proceeded normally, > >>> but the system didn't reboot. I have to go get details on why, but > >>> my guessis either lilo or a missing module in the initrd. > >> > >> > >> If you want us to research the problem source for you further, let us > >> know. Be suspicious of the device driver.... > >> > >>> > >>> Hans Reiser wrote: > >>> > >>>> Vladimir Saveliev wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 02:58, Clifford Beshers wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> What are the current size limitations for > >>>>>> disks/partitions/filesystems > >>>>>> with the following combinations? My googling has produced > >>>>>> inconsistent answers. > >>>>>> { linux 2.4.24, linux 2.6.5 } X { reiserfs3, reiser4 } > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> http://namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> We have a new machine with a 3-ware 8 port controller (looks like a > >>>>>> scsi controller to the system, but actually drives 8 ide > >>>>>> drives). We > >>>>>> have 8 x 300GB drives attached for a total > 2TB. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Our IT guy has been unable to install Linspire on it (linux 2.6.5, > >>>>>> reiserfs3). I'm about to go look in more detail, but I thought I'd > >>>>>> find out what the bounds were for sure. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I assume mkreiserfs was not the reason why you guys failed to install > >>>>> linux on your hardware. It works for > 2tb devices. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cliff > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This message contains information which may be confidential and > >>>>>> privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to > >>>>>> receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to > >>>>>> anyone the message or any information contained in the message. > >>>>>> If you have received the message in error, please advise the > >>>>>> sender and delete the message. Thank you. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Please provide exact answer to this question about what are V3 > >>>> limits. Vitaly, please assist. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:30:29 -0700 Message-ID: <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Hans Reiser Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Hans Reiser wrote: > Clifford Beshers wrote: > >> Thanks for the help everyone. In the end, it turned out that sfdisk >> is indeed the culprit. We created a 2.1T partition with fdisk, then >> asked sfdisk for the size and it said: -92,xxx,xxx. Unfortunately, >> this means we have to either fix it or find an alternate solution to >> creating partitions. > > > We can probably fix it for you if you like.... I'm going to try the alternatives first and at the same time email the author and the Debian maintainer of sfdisk and ask them what's up. > >> While I'm here, I have some other questions: >> >> * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? >> It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it >> different for Reiser4? >> > is the time a problem in practice, or just a curiousity point? Our customers have complained about our boot times, so we've been tracking things down and fixing them. We were doing two passes of mounting everything, one pass to figure out what was there, another to let the traditional 'mountall' init script do its work. We were assuming that the mount times were constant and small. But as the disks are getting bigger, the second mount is noticeable, so we're fixing that. The first mount is definitely noticeable on the 2T machine, but we figure if we do our jobs right, people should rarely be rebooting anyway. Cliff From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Chris Mason Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:36:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1084386990.2583.244.camel@watt.suse.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <1084386280.6257.31.camel@ipso.snappymail.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <1084386280.6257.31.camel@ipso.snappymail.ca> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mike Benoit Cc: Hans Reiser , Clifford Beshers , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 14:24, Mike Benoit wrote: > On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 09:59, Hans Reiser wrote: > > > There were a few bugs of ours that acted as red herrings, but Linspire > > > is now up and running on this system with ReiserFS 3 and kernel 2.6.5. > > > > > > While I'm here, I have some other questions: > > > > > > * What is the time complexity of mounting a ReiserFS partition? > > > It seems to be proportional to the size of the partition? Is it > > > different for Reiser4? > > > * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a > > > partition without mounting it? > > > > > is the time a problem in practice, or just a curiousity point? > > Hans, > > The last place I worked had a 2.5TB RAID array that had 10's of > millions of files on it, basically a perfect fit for ReiserFS. However > they rejected it simply because of the mount times. It was a slower > machine (mainly used for dumb storage, however uptime was critical) but > the mount times were just crazy, I don't have hard numbers, but if I > recall correctly I was told around 5-10 minutes. > Hans' guys made mount times better in v3 by reading the bitmaps in big chunks. I suspect you were using a kernel from before that fix. -chris From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:22:56 -0700 Message-ID: <40A2B1D0.5040005@lindows.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080500060606080605000103" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> List-Id: To: Andreas Dilger Cc: Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman --------------080500060606080605000103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas Dilger wrote: >> * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a >> partition without mounting it? >> >> > >Lots of them. "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33 >and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of >things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE). > > > > Very interesting. Unfotunately, my results don't match yours. First, I had tried 'file' and found that it didn't work. I tried it again and found that it still didn't work. root@notsomarlin:~# losetup /dev/loop/0 /tmp/foo root@notsomarlin:~# mke2fs /dev/loop/0 ... root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo /tmp/foo: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data root@notsomarlin:~# mkreiserfs /dev/loop/0 ... ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/loop/0. root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo /tmp/foo: data Do you get other results? If not, it would seem that Debian's version of 'file' is broken, yet I checked the source code and there are magic numbers for reiserfs included. Also, I check e2fsprogs and it is at version 1.35 in Debian unstable, but no tool called 'blkid' is included. So I'm still searching for reliable methods to do this. --------------080500060606080605000103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Andreas Dilger wrote:
   * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a
     partition without mounting it?
    

Lots of them.  "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33
and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of
things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE).
Very interesting.  Unfotunately, my results don't match yours.

First, I had tried 'file' and found that it didn't work.  I tried it again and found that it still didn't work.
root@notsomarlin:~# losetup /dev/loop/0 /tmp/foo
root@notsomarlin:~# mke2fs /dev/loop/0
...
root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo
/tmp/foo: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data
root@notsomarlin:~# mkreiserfs /dev/loop/0
...
ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/loop/0.
root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo
/tmp/foo: data
Do you get other results?  If not, it would seem that Debian's version of 'file' is broken, yet I checked the source code and there are magic numbers for reiserfs included.

Also, I check e2fsprogs and it is at version 1.35 in Debian unstable, but no tool called 'blkid' is included.

So I'm still searching for reliable methods to do this.
--------------080500060606080605000103-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Clifford Beshers Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:36:01 -0700 Message-ID: <40A2B4E1.6000804@lindows.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <20040512034150.GS9641@schnapps.adilger.int> <40A2B1D0.5040005@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000705070808010203060306" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A2B1D0.5040005@lindows.com> List-Id: To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Andreas Dilger , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman --------------000705070808010203060306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Argh. It never fails. I found 'blkid' in package libblkid1 immediately after I sent this. Bad packaging by Debian. Anyway, it works as advertised. Thanks. Clifford Beshers wrote: > > Andreas Dilger wrote: > >>> * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a >>> partition without mounting it? >>> >>> >> >>Lots of them. "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33 >>and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of >>things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE). >> >> >> >> > Very interesting. Unfotunately, my results don't match yours. > > First, I had tried 'file' and found that it didn't work. I tried it > again and found that it still didn't work. > > root@notsomarlin:~# losetup /dev/loop/0 /tmp/foo > root@notsomarlin:~# mke2fs /dev/loop/0 > ... > root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo > /tmp/foo: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data > root@notsomarlin:~# mkreiserfs /dev/loop/0 > ... > ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/loop/0. > root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo > /tmp/foo: data > > Do you get other results? If not, it would seem that Debian's version > of 'file' is broken, yet I checked the source code and there are magic > numbers for reiserfs included. > > Also, I check e2fsprogs and it is at version 1.35 in Debian unstable, > but no tool called 'blkid' is included. > > So I'm still searching for reliable methods to do this. --------------000705070808010203060306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Argh.  It never fails.  I found 'blkid' in package libblkid1 immediately after I sent this.  Bad packaging by Debian.

Anyway, it works as advertised.  Thanks.

Clifford Beshers wrote:

Andreas Dilger wrote:
   * Is there a tool to determine the type of file system on a
     partition without mounting it?
    

Lots of them.  "file -s /dev/foo" or if you have a newer e2fsprogs (1.33
and newer I think) you can use "blkid [dev ...]" to tell you a bunch of
things about each device (LABEL, UUID, TYPE).
Very interesting.  Unfotunately, my results don't match yours.

First, I had tried 'file' and found that it didn't work.  I tried it again and found that it still didn't work.
root@notsomarlin:~# losetup /dev/loop/0 /tmp/foo
root@notsomarlin:~# mke2fs /dev/loop/0
...
root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo
/tmp/foo: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data
root@notsomarlin:~# mkreiserfs /dev/loop/0
...
ReiserFS is successfully created on /dev/loop/0.
root@notsomarlin:~# file /tmp/foo
/tmp/foo: data
Do you get other results?  If not, it would seem that Debian's version of 'file' is broken, yet I checked the source code and there are magic numbers for reiserfs included.

Also, I check e2fsprogs and it is at version 1.35 in Debian unstable, but no tool called 'blkid' is included.

So I'm still searching for reliable methods to do this.
--------------000705070808010203060306-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 22:43:28 -0700 Message-ID: <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Clifford Beshers Cc: Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman Clifford Beshers wrote: > > > Our customers have complained about our boot times, so we've been > tracking things down and fixing them. We were doing two passes of > mounting everything, one pass to figure out what was there, another to > let the traditional 'mountall' init script do its work. We were > assuming that the mount times were constant and small. But as the > disks are getting bigger, the second mount is noticeable, so we're > fixing that. The first mount is definitely noticeable on the 2T > machine, but we figure if we do our jobs right, people should rarely > be rebooting anyway. > > Cliff > > > Well, if people care enough about it, we can optimize it at a pretty small cost in time, and we will do so if a sponsor like Lindows asks us for it. Otherwise we'll focus on getting that compression plugin out the door, etc..... From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Paul Wagland Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:04:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-47-944775716" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> List-Id: To: Hans Reiser Cc: Clifford Beshers , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman --Apple-Mail-47-944775716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On May 13, 2004, at 7:43, Hans Reiser wrote: > Well, if people care enough about it, we can optimize it at a pretty > small cost in time, and we will do so if a sponsor like Lindows asks > us for it. Otherwise we'll focus on getting that compression plugin > out the door, etc..... Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you already have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to give money "to a cause". Just a thought, feel free to ignore it if you wish :-) Cheers, Paul --Apple-Mail-47-944775716 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAo9TStch0EvEFvxURAm4aAJ9OCvJ+OcxXbla1NgDBtEZIXz7FywCghtmL 1Cjkz8JELHHxDJnRstqbzKo= =KhYH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-47-944775716-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: mjt@nysv.org Markus =?unknown-8bit?q?T=F6rnqvist?= Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:11:42 +0300 Message-ID: <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Paul Wagland Cc: Hans Reiser , Clifford Beshers , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:04:34PM +0200, Paul Wagland wrote: > >Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a >list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when >those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the >repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you already >have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to give money >"to a cause". Pass the hat around :) Problem just is that the repacker is probably commercial for a reason. The reason being that it provides income at a steady pace. If it were "pledged" it would give some money, sure, but not at a steady pace. I'm surprised if Hans hasn't given this some thought, being the logical extension of the $25 helpdesk. Maybe the biggest problem is safe money transactions. You don't just deal to a foreign country, you deal out of the European Union. And then there's this one country with a fairly large population that STILL hasn't moved beyond money checks. The one with fifty states. -- mjt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <40A68B89.9000500@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Paul Wagland Cc: Clifford Beshers , Vladimir Saveliev , Reiserfs mail-list , Vitaly Fertman , beverly@idiom.com Paul Wagland wrote: > > On May 13, 2004, at 7:43, Hans Reiser wrote: > >> Well, if people care enough about it, we can optimize it at a pretty >> small cost in time, and we will do so if a sponsor like Lindows asks >> us for it. Otherwise we'll focus on getting that compression plugin >> out the door, etc..... > > > Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a > list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when > those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the > repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you > already have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to > give money "to a cause". > > Just a thought, feel free to ignore it if you wish :-) > > Cheers, > Paul Maybe we need to ask for volunteers to create a pledge page.;-) Seriously though, it is a good idea, though I note that it only got $1000 for gentoo despite being slashdotted.... My mother (Beverly, who did our art on our website) is working on a Namesys tee shirt to sell on our website, maybe we should add the word "supporter" to the tee shirt. Hans From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:07:28 -0700 Message-ID: <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= , Reiserfs mail-list From the email below I realized I had forgotten to announce this. We=20 will answer any question we can answer in half an hour for $25 More below. Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:04:34PM +0200, Paul Wagland wrote: > =20 > >>Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a=20 >>list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when=20 >>those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the=20 >>repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you already=20 >>have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to give money=20 >>"to a cause". >> =20 >> > >Pass the hat around :) > >Problem just is that the repacker is probably commercial for a reason. >The reason being that it provides income at a steady pace. If it were >"pledged" it would give some money, sure, but not at a steady pace. > >I'm surprised if Hans hasn't given this some thought, being the logical >extension of the $25 helpdesk. > >Maybe the biggest problem is safe money transactions. You don't just >deal to a foreign country, you deal out of the European Union. > >And then there's this one country with a fairly large population that=20 >STILL hasn't moved beyond money checks. The one with fifty states. > > =20 > I haven't been able to get a large enough amount from distros to support=20 us (but thanks to Lindows for being a major help), and darpa sponsors=20 research not resizers, so I am thinking I might try selling the=20 resizer. Our fiscal situation remains quite awful, and the resizer=20 might be a way to fund the enhanced semantics. I guess it is time to=20 try the mixed model in which we sell base code that is better than=20 winfs/ext3, and some non-essential addons (like a resizer, maybe some=20 non-essentail plugins, etc., ) are for sale and they fund the free=20 stuff. I really want to see free software work as a business, so I keep=20 trying things. Governments are not really set up to fund free software=20 effectively yet, they fund research which is not quite the same as=20 products that are usable. Support does not make much money, a few hundred a month..... hopefully=20 us accepting visa cards will improve this. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: mjt@nysv.org Markus =?unknown-8bit?q?T=F6rnqvist?= Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 20:22:33 +0300 Message-ID: <20040516172233.GB24604@nysv.org> References: <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Hans Reiser Cc: Reiserfs mail-list On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 10:07:28AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: >I haven't been able to get a large enough amount from distros to support >us (but thanks to Lindows for being a major help), and darpa sponsors >research not resizers, so I am thinking I might try selling the I have always tried to keep a safe distance from economic messes like this. What you're saying is that they sponsor research, they give money, but you can't pay salaries with that money? >Support does not make much money, a few hundred a month..... hopefully >us accepting visa cards will improve this. How would you say this situation has changed over the years? Better to worse since the dotcom boom, or? -- mjt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 10:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: <40A7A85B.1020703@namesys.com> References: <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> <20040516172233.GB24604@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040516172233.GB24604@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= Cc: Reiserfs mail-list Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 10:07:28AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: > > =20 > >>I haven't been able to get a large enough amount from distros to support = >>us (but thanks to Lindows for being a major help), and darpa sponsors=20 >>research not resizers, so I am thinking I might try selling the=20 >> =20 >> > >I have always tried to keep a safe distance from economic messes like this. >What you're saying is that they sponsor research, they give money, but >you can't pay salaries with that money? > =20 > well, we spent all the money.... and the new money has to be spent on security stuff, not on resizers. > =20 > >>Support does not make much money, a few hundred a month..... hopefully=20 >>us accepting visa cards will improve this. >> =20 >> > >How would you say this situation has changed over the years? >Better to worse since the dotcom boom, or? > > =20 > Techbust nearly but not quite destroyed us (DARPA saved us), and now=20 things are starting to boom again, so we should be happy. In the short=20 term, we are suffering, but things are clearly improving and in a year I=20 think we will be prosperous. Hans From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Domenico Andreoli Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:24:19 +0200 Sender: Domenico Andreoli Message-ID: <20040517082419.GA3755@raptus.homelinux.org> References: <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> <20040516172233.GB24604@nysv.org> <40A7A85B.1020703@namesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40A7A85B.1020703@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Reiserfs mail-list On Sun, May 16, 2004 at 10:43:55AM -0700, Hans Reiser wrote: > Techbust nearly but not quite destroyed us (DARPA saved us), and now > things are starting to boom again, so we should be happy. In the short > term, we are suffering, but things are clearly improving and in a year I > think we will be prosperous. > i hope the best wishes for you and your stuff :) cheers domenico -----[ Domenico Andreoli, aka cavok --[ http://people.debian.org/~cavok/gpgkey.asc ---[ 3A0F 2F80 F79C 678A 8936 4FEE 0677 9033 A20E BC50 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Redeeman Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:22:17 +0200 Message-ID: <1085077337.15159.2.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> Reply-To: redeeman@metanurb.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Reiserfs mail-list On Sun, 2004-05-16 at 19:07, Hans Reiser wrote: > From the email below I realized I had forgotten to announce this. We=20 > will answer any question we can answer in half an hour for $25 >=20 > More below. >=20 > Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >=20 > >On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:04:34PM +0200, Paul Wagland wrote: > > =20 > > > >>Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a=20 > >>list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when = > >>those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the=20 > >>repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you already= =20 > >>have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to give money= =20 > >>"to a cause". > >> =20 > >> > > > >Pass the hat around :) > > > >Problem just is that the repacker is probably commercial for a reason. > >The reason being that it provides income at a steady pace. If it were > >"pledged" it would give some money, sure, but not at a steady pace. > > > >I'm surprised if Hans hasn't given this some thought, being the logical > >extension of the $25 helpdesk. > > > >Maybe the biggest problem is safe money transactions. You don't just > >deal to a foreign country, you deal out of the European Union. > > i believe this is true. i had a question, which i was ready to pay for. also, a note that it will be answered quickly would make ppl pay, but if it doesent accept paypal or something, its hard for ppl to pay. i was lucky ppl on the list answered :D > >And then there's this one country with a fairly large population that=20 > >STILL hasn't moved beyond money checks. The one with fifty states. > > > > =20 > > > I haven't been able to get a large enough amount from distros to support = > us (but thanks to Lindows for being a major help), and darpa sponsors=20 > research not resizers, so I am thinking I might try selling the=20 > resizer. Our fiscal situation remains quite awful, and the resizer=20 > might be a way to fund the enhanced semantics. I guess it is time to=20 > try the mixed model in which we sell base code that is better than=20 > winfs/ext3, and some non-essential addons (like a resizer, maybe some=20 > non-essentail plugins, etc., ) are for sale and they fund the free=20 > stuff. I really want to see free software work as a business, so I keep = > trying things. Governments are not really set up to fund free software=20 > effectively yet, they fund research which is not quite the same as=20 > products that are usable. i dont think you will gain anything from selling the resize'er, or any other plugins. people would just warez it. however, setup paypal! i'd be ready to donate! >=20 > Support does not make much money, a few hundred a month..... hopefully=20 > us accepting visa cards will improve this. --=20 Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail=20 /\ - against microsoft attachments From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Redeeman Subject: Re: 2 Terabyte install Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:24:29 +0200 Message-ID: <1085077469.15159.4.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> References: <409AC2FF.7080800@lindows.com> <1083917932.14089.281.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <409BB690.6030604@namesys.com> <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <40A68B89.9000500@namesys.com> Reply-To: redeeman@metanurb.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <40A68B89.9000500@namesys.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Reiserfs mail-list On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 23:28, Hans Reiser wrote: > Paul Wagland wrote: > > > > > On May 13, 2004, at 7:43, Hans Reiser wrote: > > > >> Well, if people care enough about it, we can optimize it at a pretty > >> small cost in time, and we will do so if a sponsor like Lindows asks > >> us for it. Otherwise we'll focus on getting that compression plugin > >> out the door, etc..... > > > > > > Just a thought... Have you considered a "pledge" page? I.e, put up a > > list of features, and then allow people to "pledge" donations for when > > those features are finished. I for one would pledge 10USD for the > > repacker/disk optimiser, and yes, I know it isn't much, but you > > already have my donation for nothing :-) And, people often prefer to > > give money "to a cause". > > > > Just a thought, feel free to ignore it if you wish :-) > > > > Cheers, > > Paul > > Maybe we need to ask for volunteers to create a pledge page.;-) > > Seriously though, it is a good idea, though I note that it only got > $1000 for gentoo despite being slashdotted.... > > My mother (Beverly, who did our art on our website) is working on a > Namesys tee shirt to sell on our website, maybe we should add the word > "supporter" to the tee shirt. YES! i have been called a walking ad just for saying how good reiser4 is, im sure a tshirt wont hurt my reputation ;) > > Hans -- Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: mjt@nysv.org Markus =?unknown-8bit?q?T=F6rnqvist?= Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:37:12 +0300 Message-ID: <20040520183711.GQ24604@nysv.org> References: <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> <1085077337.15159.2.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1085077337.15159.2.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Redeeman Cc: Reiserfs mail-list On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 08:22:17PM +0200, Redeeman wrote: >i dont think you will gain anything from selling the resize'er, or any >other plugins. people would just warez it. however, setup paypal! i'd be >ready to donate! Call me naive, but I don't think people are indecent enough to warez this. Maybe some people would think twice if the price tag was ok and the resizer and stuff would ship with a note "warezing this ransomware will cause us severe damage, please don't do it" As far as paypal is concerned, it's a user-space kludge for a kernel-space problem for real. Money should move from one account to another, not from a credit card via a dealer to a virtual account. Besides, see this: http://www.paypalsucks.com/ -- mjt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Redeeman Subject: Re: Namesys now accepts Visa cards on our website (support questions and donations both) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <1085079357.15159.8.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> References: <409BBDC9.3030809@lindows.com> <409FB387.8080804@namesys.com> <40A19147.4010703@lindows.com> <40A257DA.2010903@namesys.com> <40A26D45.2010707@lindows.com> <40A30B00.8020103@namesys.com> <20040513201142.GT29226@nysv.org> <40A79FD0.3090904@namesys.com> <1085077337.15159.2.camel@redeeman.kaspersandberg.com> <20040520183711.GQ24604@nysv.org> Reply-To: redeeman@metanurb.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040520183711.GQ24604@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Reiserfs mail-list On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 20:37, Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2004 at 08:22:17PM +0200, Redeeman wrote: > >i dont think you will gain anything from selling the resize'er, or any > >other plugins. people would just warez it. however, setup paypal! i'd be > >ready to donate! >=20 > Call me naive, but I don't think people are indecent enough to warez > this. Maybe some people would think twice if the price tag was ok and > the resizer and stuff would ship with a note "warezing this ransomware > will cause us severe damage, please don't do it" lets just face it, warez exists for REAL, and i know, that if i suddenly needed some application, i could warez it, to get it fast, even though i then decided to buy it, i might forget. hell (sorry language) winex exists warezed too, and they even have anonymous cvs access!! maybe some kind of policy that said companies should buy, private persons shouldnt. but all i can say is that if you create a product that the ppl want, and they have to buy, most of them will warez. >=20 > As far as paypal is concerned, it's a user-space kludge for a=20 > kernel-space problem for real. Money should move from one account > to another, not from a credit card via a dealer to a virtual account. >=20 > Besides, see this: > http://www.paypalsucks.com/ --=20 Regards, Redeeman () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail=20 /\ - against microsoft attachments