From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: jt@hpl.hp.com
Cc: Gertjan van Wingerde <gwingerde@home.nl>,
sfeldma@pobox.com, netdev@oss.sgi.com, jkmaline@cc.hut.fi
Subject: Re: [RFC] Wireless extensions rethink
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:06:13 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40D0D265.3070804@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040616223316.GA29618@bougret.hpl.hp.com>
Jean Tourrilhes wrote:
> I think you did not understood my idea at all.
> If you build a set of generic wrappers and hook them in the
> iw_handler table, you could trivially add the features you feel are
> missing into those wrappers. Those wrappers would expose whatever API
> you choose to the driver, call your struct wireless_ops for example.
That doesn't help anything. Wrappers add code, while not solving the
following problems...
You want to expose a _specific_, fine-grained API to the driver. That
is by definition the smallest interface one can design for the low-level
driver. Anything else requires "additional work" -- from simple
type-casting to real code.
The three major problems of the current WE iw_handler interface
specifically are,
1) uses array, rather than a structure of function pointers. This makes
assignment of values _very_ easy to screw up.
2) type-opaque interfaces break C compiler pointer analysis. This
prevents alias optimization from working well, and also breaks checkers
like the Stanford checker and sparse. C gave the world a type system,
we should use it. :)
3) Uses and stores offsets to driver-private structures in generic code
(iw_handler_def). See #2 for pointer chasing/aliasing problems related
to doing stuff like this. Further, this is a massive layer / object
lifetime violation. The generic/core code should never need to know
about a structure declared in a low-level driver. That's backwards from
the way information should flow.
It's not Jeff's weird personal preference that iw_handler be killed...
type-opaque interfaces cause real problems. A good C programmer should
very, very rarely use type-casting.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-06-16 23:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-06-11 18:49 [RFC] Wireless extensions rethink Feldman, Scott
2004-06-15 16:39 ` Gertjan van Wingerde
2004-06-15 17:22 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-06-16 9:13 ` Scott Feldman
2004-06-16 15:28 ` Gerald Britton
2004-06-16 17:40 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-06-16 17:53 ` Scott Feldman
2004-06-16 19:06 ` Gerald Britton
2004-06-17 5:57 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2004-06-16 17:46 ` Gertjan van Wingerde
2004-06-16 19:06 ` Scott Feldman
2004-06-16 19:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-16 22:25 ` Scott Feldman
2004-06-16 20:50 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-16 20:42 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-16 21:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-16 22:33 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-16 23:06 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2004-06-16 23:11 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 17:47 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 18:23 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 18:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 18:30 ` Gertjan van Wingerde
2004-06-17 18:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-06-17 19:00 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 19:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 18:58 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 19:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 19:13 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 19:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 19:44 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 20:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 20:39 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 18:56 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 19:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 19:31 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-17 19:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-17 20:46 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2004-06-18 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-18 22:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-16 22:48 ` Scott Feldman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-07 19:51 Gertjan van Wingerde
2004-06-07 20:52 ` Ben Greear
2004-06-07 18:33 Feldman, Scott
2004-06-07 18:39 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-06-08 11:19 ` Herbert Xu
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