From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" Subject: Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:10:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4119D468.8080104@futuretg.com> References: <71d3364904080706112e72fb6b@mail.gmail.com> <20040809172437.GP1284@nysv.org> <71d3364904080922267e8c14af@mail.gmail.com> <200408101312.48888.reiserfs-list@quinnh.org> <4119273E.1040104@namesys.com> <20040810211951.GU1284@nysv.org> <41194690.5050908@namesys.com> <1365645117.20040811065416@tnonline.net> <20040811073959.GV1284@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040811073959.GV1284@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= Cc: Spam , reiserfs-list@namesys.com, Hans Reiser Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 06:54:16AM +0200, Spam wrote: > =20 > >> Take as an example a inventor. If he has an idea that he wants to >> protect he would need to patent it to protect it. Otherwise only his >> work can be protected with copyright. I am not sure that the actual >> invention can be copyrighted either. >> =20 >> > >Who was the guy who invented the telephone separately of Bell >at the same time? > =20 > Was an italian, and he did before Bell. His name is Antonio Meucci. Meucci open the copyright file 5 years before Bell, but don't have the money to renew the copyright. This is the story in Italian language: http://www.stpauls.it/gio97/1797gi/1797gi5c.htm >The reason Bell got his product pushed to the market was that he >could patent it first. > > =20 > False. >That's about it, the idea is not protected and the only way to protect >it is by patents, but hey, where have we seen a patent that did more >good than keep it at a neutral level? > >The way patents are dealt with is that everyone goes out and patents >everything they can and then get money from the court because they >"own the idea of a seesaw swing"... > > =20 > >> In this case with Hans, Namesys and reiserfs/reiser4 the actual >> written code and documentation etc is covered by copyright. The >> ideas behind the filesystems are not. >> Also this is false. Also the idea behind is copyright. This is the=20 invention and the copyright not the stupid code, in C or C++ ;-) I want to tell you more. In the year 2000, at Comdex. I introduce the=20 FTKernelConfigurator idea, my idea. I introduce to granroth and other people from KDE. Well, after some time=20 appears magically the kernel configurator inside the Kcontrol. I suppose they stole my idea, and for me is logical. I don't yet find=20 the time, to write the code for FTKernelConfiguator, but I will do. I know in the past one of the high copyright attorney in America, was a=20 causal meeting. I contact him to protect my FTLinuxCourse. I meet him before Comdex 2000. He comment to me a great true: "Don't=20 comment, or they will take". Easy. I will finish here with some comments: * At first, the truth is ethrnal. It is not important how bastard=20 you are and how tricks you apply. The truth, is ethernal, is one, and never can be overwrite. You can only hide the truth, temporarely. * At second, because here all is clear, public. I expect the minimal=20 respect that goes to the owner and inventor. It is a question of class and necessary morality. The Stallman GNU Public License=20 warrants this morality to the owner. * The third and last point is that you can run in false mode, also=20 for years, and stole the software, the onwer will re-create and will re-invent almost in ethernal mode. The movie 'Tron'=20 offers a nice underline mode to these facts. I expect NEVER to see here again words like 'asshole' or other offensive=20 words. Thanks, Giovanni. PS. Poor Capital people :-) >> They would only be protected >> by patents. >> =20 >> > >Exactly. > >The only patent that makes any sort of sense to me is, even theoretically, >is the medical patent. Medicine can take decades to implement so those >guys will want sovereignity over their work. > >But there is the hidden aspect here as well: They would benefit from other >people having access to the sama data, the same research, the same idea, >and get it done faster and cheaper. Cut down the need for bootleg medicine. > >This is not so far fetched from this case either imo. > >Hans mentioned the cute movie script. Studios stealing scripts is not >really the same thing. The movie does not exist yet, only the script, >and what the studio is really doing is depriving the writer of his >deserved compensation for his work. That's not reimplementing an >existing idea. > >As for the poem translated into French, of course the original author >has the copyright to his work, but the translator has the copyright >to his translation. The idea is untouched. What if the Greeks of old >had patented, nay, copyrighted as some people think ideas should be >copyrighted, the common structures of storytelling? > >Or maybe if we couldn't use the material from old mythology, because >they are the intellectual property of someone else? >What about those guys who lived 50 years after the Greeks and took >ideas from them into their own mythos, before the copyrights would >have expired? > > =20 > --=20 --=20 -- Check FT Websites ...=20 http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --