From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" Subject: Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:44:59 +0200 Message-ID: <4119EA9B.7090503@futuretg.com> References: <71d3364904080706112e72fb6b@mail.gmail.com> <20040809172437.GP1284@nysv.org> <71d3364904080922267e8c14af@mail.gmail.com> <200408101312.48888.reiserfs-list@quinnh.org> <4119273E.1040104@namesys.com> <20040810211951.GU1284@nysv.org> <41194690.5050908@namesys.com> <1365645117.20040811065416@tnonline.net> <20040811073959.GV1284@nysv.org> <4119D468.8080104@futuretg.com> <20040811090033.GX1284@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040811090033.GX1284@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:10:16AM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: > =20 > >>>The reason Bell got his product pushed to the market was that he >>>could patent it first. >>> =20 >>> >>False. >> =20 >> > >Why then? > >Meucci did not have enough money to push it? >So Meucci had bad luck, that's life, unfortunately. > =20 > Meucci open the file for copyright before Bell, but seems it is=20 necessary to renew each year. Therefore, he don't renew. The word "inventor" in the US, means generally "rich". This have another=20 sense outside America, or for immigrant people. >>Also this is false. Also the idea behind is copyright. This is the=20 >>invention and the copyright not the stupid code, in C or C++ ;-) >> =20 >> > >No it is not, at least not in Finland, and I'm pretty sure it's the >same in all Europe and/or other countries. > >http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/tekoik.html#mita > >Unfortunately that's in Finnish... > >"Tekij=E4noikeus suojaa teoksen kirjallista tai muuta asua, ei asiasis=E4l= t=F6=E4." > >Copyright protects the literary or other presentation of a work, not the >factual content. > > =20 > This is bad. The code or documentation explains the ideas, and must be=20 copyright in the same mode are the ideas itself. >"Teoksessa esitetyn tiedon tai mielipiteen voi tekij=E4noikeuden est=E4m= =E4tt=E4 >esitt=E4=E4 muualla omin sanoin." > >The data or opinion in a work can be represented elsewhere in own words >without copyright preventing it. > >"Tekij=E4noikeuslaki ei t=E4ll=F6in aseta edes vaatimusta l=E4hteen ilmoit= tamisesta." > >In this case copyright law does not even force you to give out the source. > >Also http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/tekoik/tekoik.html#moroik > >"Tekij=E4noikeuteen sis=E4ltyy my=F6s ns. moraalisia oikeuksia." > >Copyright includes also so-called moral rights. > >"Niihin sis=E4ltyy, ett=E4 teoskappaleissa tai teosta esitett=E4ess=E4 on = tekij=E4 >ilmoitettava (isyysoikeus) ja ett=E4 teosta ei saa muuttaa "tekij=E4n kirj= allista >tai taiteellista arvoa tahi omalaatuisuutta loukkaavalla tavalla" >(respektioikeus) (3 =A7)." > >They include that when presenting items of the work (I wonder if that means >more like copies of the work..) or the work the original maker must be >noted (paternityright) and the work may not be changed 'in a way that insu= lts >the makers literary or artistic value or uniqueness' (respect right) > > =20 > >>I want to tell you more. In the year 2000, at Comdex. I introduce the=20 >>FTKernelConfigurator idea, my idea. >>I introduce to granroth and other people from KDE. Well, after some time = >>appears magically the kernel configurator >>inside the Kcontrol. >>I suppose they stole my idea, and for me is logical. I don't yet find=20 >>the time, to write the code for FTKernelConfiguator, but I will do. >> =20 >> > >But they did not really do anything wrong. If you had really forbidden >them from doing this, they might not have done it, but it's always >reasonable doubt that they invented the idea themselves. > >I have no idea what FTKernelConfigurator is supposed to do, but I gather >it's an interface for configuring the kernel? > =20 > Yes. Actually today it is also possible to configure the kernel=20 graphically, but my idea is better. I need time that I have no actually. >Surely this is not an idea to be held sovereignly for oneself. > > =20 > >>I meet him before Comdex 2000. He comment to me a great true: "Don't=20 >>comment, or they will take". >> =20 >> > >Yeah, if you wan't to keep a secret, keep it secret. > > =20 > >>Easy. >> =20 >> > >Indeed. > > =20 > >> * At first, the truth is ethrnal. It is not important how bastard=20 >>you are and how tricks you apply. The truth, is ethernal, is one, and nev= er >> can be overwrite. You can only hide the truth, temporarely. >> =20 >> > >Yes, but I fail to see how this applies exactly. >No one is trying to lie here. > >If someone stole your idea, or implemented it before you, it's not >a lie. > >It's also hard to steal an idea that you gave them first. > > =20 > If you comment to KDE people something that does not exist, and after=20 your comment exist something similar you need simply do a small sum: 2+2. Be stoled by someone that re-offer it under GPL your idea, cause some=20 bad humor. >> * At second, because here all is clear, public. I expect the minimal=20 >>respect that goes to the owner and inventor. It is a question >> of class and necessary morality. The Stallman GNU Public License=20 >>warrants this morality to the owner. >> =20 >> > >I'm, of course, not against respect here. >But the respect should not be ordered by the law, it could easily >lead into the patent mess that reigns in the USA. > >Respect should come from respecting someone else. > =20 > In 1987 or so, Chinese and people for Taiwan and Japan go around the=20 world and comment: "We will copy your product and do it better". Today, Taiwan and Japan is=20 probably the best place for electronic components worldwide. Different companies here in Italy, about manufacturing suffering some=20 fraud from Chinese companies that re-produce the hardware for car testing and stole the clients. Do=20 will someone open a case on China for copyright contacting chinese attorneys?. Very complex and expensive. I see the entire software industry going to disaster because some young=20 boy release a similar program at no cost. No one may compete with free. In any this is a complex=20 global problem. >> * The third and last point is that you can run in false mode, also=20 >>for years, and stole the software, the onwer will re-create >> and will re-invent almost in ethernal mode. The movie 'Tron'=20 >>offers a nice underline mode to these facts. >> =20 >> > >I must confess I haven't seen Tron... > =20 > You don't know Tron, because probably you are too young. Tron was made by Walt Disney (Buena ventura). It is dated 1982. Check at Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005OCMR/qid=3D1092217246/s= r=3D8-1/ref=3Dpd_ka_1/102-0873987-4980163?v=3Dglance&s=3Ddvd&n=3D507846 Jeff Bridges, a young programmer in a small company was stoled by its=20 game program. A friend of him write a program that inspect information, and also some time ... the owner of the=20 company was fired because he claim to be the author of the game and Jeff Bridge then get the 'expected' money and respect. I have this movie and like it. Also it is copyright :-) Thanks, Giovanni >Sure, it's called competition. > >Also most of the time if your secret leaks out, and it's an important >secret, it leaks out when you have developed it far enough that it's >stupid to compete with you. > >It is also true that often secrets come in the way of advancement, >co-operation and collaboration are the way to go. > > =20 > --=20 --=20 -- Check FT Websites ...=20 http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --