From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando" Subject: Re: implementing reiserfs in C++ for a new OS Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:47 +0200 Message-ID: <411A196F.1060104@futuretg.com> References: <4119273E.1040104@namesys.com> <20040810211951.GU1284@nysv.org> <41194690.5050908@namesys.com> <1365645117.20040811065416@tnonline.net> <20040811073959.GV1284@nysv.org> <4119D468.8080104@futuretg.com> <20040811090033.GX1284@nysv.org> <4119EA9B.7090503@futuretg.com> <20040811105442.GY1284@nysv.org> <411A0D42.8020204@futuretg.com> <20040811123909.GZ1284@nysv.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <20040811123909.GZ1284@nysv.org> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format="flowed" To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Markus_T=F6rnqvist?= , Reiserfs mail-list Markus T=F6rnqvist wrote: >On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:12:50PM +0200, Dr. Giovanni A. Orlando wrote: > > =20 > >>Yes. is the patent, not the copyright. >>He don't have the money to pay the renew the patent. >> =20 >> > >That sucks then. > >Maybe he should have had someone market and promote it better, maybe >he would not have needed a patent at all, then. > =20 > He have the original patent and is recognized like the official inventor of the phone by the US court Read it in the file http://www.stpauls.it/gio97/1797gi/1797gi5c.htm >Or he would have gotten money for a patent through marketing. > >Remember, Philips pushed the CD out with cheap prices, everyone could >use CDs cheaply, so there was no real competition. It was the superior >solution for cheap. > >It did not become common because of forcing it on customers, nor did >it become common like the VHS tape because JVC bought a big market >presence. > > =20 > >>Well. If an inventor have no money is a BIG problem, however actually >>in the GPL times, it is very easy to release a software also with no mone= y. >> =20 >> > >Or release the specs for some other invention so cheap that you make >much money through huge sales. > > =20 > >>>The idea is not copyrighted or patented or protected in any way, but the >>>code is. >>> =20 >>> >>This is bad and incorrect for me. >> =20 >> > >I have heard much better arguments for why it's good that ideas can NOT >be protected, not one good argument for why they should be. > >I'd like to hear that one good argument. > >People have the same ideas independently, person A and person B. >Person A patents it and person B can't compete with person A. >Person A makes a bad implementation and no one can do anything about it, >no one can do it better. > >Your idea about protecting ideas starts to sound like Microsoft, doesn't >it? > > =20 > No. >Only that Microsoft and maybe some pantent-holders just abused their big >money to suppress competition. > > =20 > >>>Of course the idea can be patented in some degenerate country like the US >>>and it seems the EU is making the same mistake, but technically the idea >>>can not be protected. And should not be. >>> =20 >>> >>The US is not a degeneated country. Do you stay in the US sometime? >> =20 >> > >I've never been there. > > =20 > Therefore, you cannot comment about the US. Actually, the US is not the=20 'normal' US. I hope things back normal and 'for business' soon. I suppose with the new president. >But look at the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and others. >USA was supposed to be the land of the free, now it's the land of the >rich and powerful, where some people are more free than others and some >people are more equal than others. > >Every honest individual who makes an invention may get sued over patents >because someone else can claim the most stupid patent ever. > =20 > Yes. Unfortunately this is possible. Microsoft wins a cause a get 4=20 million US$ for a small company owner. In infringements patents, 1 million US$ is something like one dollar,=20 the minimal quantity of money to speak about. >There's a term G=F6tterd=E4mmerung Capitalism which is such abuse of a fine >thing, and that's what they're into across the Atlantic. > >The point is not in culminating a lot of money and spending it stupidly >or not at all, it's about how money is moved smartly into good causes. > >Maybe it's unfair to generalize the States, I know there's a lot of >good and smart people there, but the country is ran by a monkey, among >other flaws. > >Maybe some libertarian-like state could be found, where it would be good >to live. > > =20 > >>>You gave it to them, whose fault is that? >>> =20 >>> >>I comment what we will do. They release a version. However, actually is=20 >>not important. >> =20 >> > >But this is a chance for co-operation, you can ask the KDE guys to >do as you say if your system is better. > >They will get a better system and you will see your brainchild become >a used application. > >Everyone wins. > =20 > I prefer to release it like I comment and I design, when possible. We=20 announce time ago that almost all our problems are GPL and also commercial. Basically, we charge for the manual and additional not free software,=20 like Trolltech does. Then, if someone like, and want to contrib. Great. Also, have no sense to release a program to configure the kernel and=20 offer only in commercial form. Must be also available for free like the Kernel is. > =20 > >>>Fraud? >>>If they do it better, where's the fraud? >>> =20 >>> >>No they copy 100% the same machine for car test. >> =20 >> > >So? Everyone else copies them too. > >Copy something back from China. > >It should not be seen as a bad thing but as a good thing. > > =20 > China and Hong Kong is the first place in the world where people=20 re-produce 'everything' in almost illegal mode: shoes, pants, etc. Italy have the fourth place. Also on the streets here, you can found=20 Fendi, that is a bad reproduction. Thanks for now. Regards, Giovanni --=20 --=20 -- Check FT Websites ...=20 http://www.futuretg.com - ftp://ftp.futuretg.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com http://www.FTLinuxCourse.com/Certification http://www.rpmparadaise.org http://GNULinuxUtilities.com http://www.YourPersonalOperatingSystem.com --