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From: James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.demon.co.uk>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Rogier Wolff <R.E.Wolff@harddisk-recovery.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Driver retries disk errors.
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:26:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41337153.60505@superbug.demon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040830174632.GA21419@thunk.org>

Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 06:39:31PM +0200, Rogier Wolff wrote:
> 
>>We encounter "bad" drives with quite a lot more regularity than other
>>people (look at the Email address). We're however, wondering why the
>>IDE code still retries a bad block 8 times? 
> 
> 
> I could see retrying 2 or 3 times, but 8 times does seem to be a bit
> much, agreed.
> 
> 
>>In fact we regularly are able to recover data from drives: we have a
>>userspace application that retries over and over again, and this
>>sometimes recovers "marginal" blocks. This could be considered "good
>>practise" if there is a filesystem requesting the block. On the other
>>hand, when this happens, the drive is usually beyond being usable for
>>a filesystem: if we recover one block this way, the next block will be
>>errorred and the filesystem "crashes" anyway. In fact this behaviour
>>may masquerade the first warnings that something is going wrong....
> 
> 
> If the block gets successfully read after 2 or 3 tries, it might be a
> good idea for the kernel to automatically do a forced rewrite of the
> block, which should cause the disk to do its own disk block
> sparing/reassignment.  
> 
> 						- Ted

It does the same retries with CD-ROM and DVDs, and if the retries fail, 
it disables DMA! It even does the retries when reading CD-Audio.
Maybe there should be a "retrys" setting that can be set by hdparm, then 
we could set the retry counts, and what happens when a retry fails on a 
per device basis.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-30 18:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-30 16:39 Driver retries disk errors Rogier Wolff
2004-08-30 17:46 ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-08-30 18:26   ` James Courtier-Dutton [this message]
2004-08-30 22:25     ` Rogier Wolff
2004-08-31 11:38     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-02 16:23       ` Eric Mudama
2004-08-31 15:16     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-30 22:17   ` Rogier Wolff
2004-08-31 11:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-31 13:45   ` Andre Hedrick
2004-08-31 13:54   ` Rogier Wolff
2004-08-31 14:12     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-31 15:56       ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-31 15:13         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-31 17:00           ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-31 16:12             ` Alan Cox
2004-09-01 15:18               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-01 14:46                 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-01 18:54                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-01 15:28               ` Romano Giannetti
2004-09-01 14:44                 ` Alan Cox
2004-09-01 23:14                   ` Rogier Wolff
2004-09-02  9:29                     ` Alan Cox
2004-09-02 10:54                       ` Rogier Wolff
2004-09-02 14:30                       ` John Stoffel
2004-09-02 14:59                         ` Alan Cox
2004-09-02 16:07                           ` John Stoffel
2004-09-02 16:26                   ` Eric Mudama
2004-08-31 22:55           ` Christer Weinigel
     [not found] <fa.d48te6f.1ol6tbb@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.eti1vu1.2nqlj5@ifi.uio.no>
2004-08-31  0:17   ` Robert Hancock
2004-09-01 23:04     ` Rogier Wolff

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