From: Jacob Gorm Hansen <jacobg@diku.dk>
To: Ian Pratt <Ian.Pratt@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Per Buer <perbu@linpro.no>, xen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Is continuous replication of state possible?
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:21:47 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41E0953B.10304@diku.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Cmw7t-0004lc-00@mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk>
Ian Pratt wrote:
>>I've been playing around with Xen a couple of months now and I am very
>>much impressed. I am particularly found of the "live migration" feature.
>>I was wondering if it is possible to make a instance continuously
>>replicate the state of another instance and then make the other instance
>>run if the original instance fails.
>
>
> Software-implemented hardware fault-tolerance is on the Xen
> research roadmap.
>
> It basically just requires deterministic execution and event
> injection. Doing this for uniprocessor guests is fairly straight
> forward. Doing it for SMP guests (with decent performance) is
> going to be a huge challenge, as determinism is hard to achieve. We're
> looking in to it...
I did a little reading on this subject a couple of years back, and it
seems that on Pentiums getting deterministic execution is impossible
even for UPs, as long as you allow preemptive multitasking. Because
(according to the Intel manuals) the precision of the Pentium
performance counters cannot be relied on, the timer and other interrupts
will essentially act as a random generator. Naturally you can do peridic
checkpointing, but there will be no way correctness can be guaranteed,
unless you coordinate all outgoing traffic between replicas before
making it visible to the outside world.
There is a paper by Bressoud and Schneider about hypervisor-based fault
tolerance on the PA-RISC (which had precise performance counters) which
is worth reading, I found a copy online at
http://roc.cs.berkeley.edu/294fall01/readings/bressoud.pdf .
I think is more likely to work at a higher level, when you know the
semantics of your application, Dmitrii Zagorodnov did some work on that
and reported good results, see for instance
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/8589/27228/01209950.pdf .
Best regards,
Jacob
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-09 2:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-07 14:57 Is continuous replication of state possible? Per Buer
2005-01-07 15:34 ` Ian Pratt
2005-01-07 16:38 ` Avery Pennarun
2005-01-07 17:42 ` Ian Pratt
2005-01-07 17:18 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-07 17:29 ` Ian Pratt
2005-01-07 18:02 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-09 2:21 ` Jacob Gorm Hansen [this message]
2005-01-09 14:43 ` Harry Butterworth
2005-01-09 16:21 ` aq
2005-01-09 16:43 ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-09 16:56 ` Harry Butterworth
2005-01-07 15:43 ` Mark Williamson
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2005-01-10 16:53 ` George Washington Dunlap III
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2005-01-07 19:22 Ky Srinivasan
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2005-01-07 17:51 ` Is Continuous " George Washington Dunlap III
2005-01-07 8:49 Is continuous " Per Buer
2005-01-07 7:37 Cannot start domU from NFS Nauzad Sadry
2005-01-07 10:01 ` Christian Limpach
2005-01-09 0:42 ` Nauzad Sadry
2005-01-09 2:00 ` Is continuous replication of state possible? Harry Butterworth
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