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From: Jacob Gorm Hansen <jacobg@diku.dk>
To: Mark Williamson <maw48@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Xen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Xen on /. again
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:30:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F03F18.4060204@diku.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200501202241.06631.maw48@cl.cam.ac.uk>

Mark Williamson wrote:

> Well domains are not aware of each other's memory usage, so I wouldn't have 
> thought that allocation / exposing real page tables would matter.  (Except 
> dom0 can of course see everything if it wants).

Microkernel people like to make the argument that you could create a 
low-bandwidth covert channel by systematically allocating and freeing a 
set of pages, and because domains see real page frame numbers they can 
learn the state of the other guy by looking at what pages they get in 
return from an alloc call. I suppose you could randomize the 
page-allocator, but then you will have to leave a certain amount of 
pages unused at all times, to have enough random pages to choose from.

(For myself, I would much rather have the real page tables and find a 
way to live with the covert channels, but I am not building 
military-grade systems).

Jacob


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  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-20 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-19 19:57 Fw: Xen on /. again Trent Jaeger
2005-01-20 22:11 ` Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-01-20 22:41   ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-20 23:30     ` Jacob Gorm Hansen [this message]
2005-01-21  0:14       ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-21  0:48     ` David Hopwood
2005-01-21  0:55       ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-21  1:32         ` David Hopwood
2005-01-21  1:38           ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-21  1:09       ` Reiner Sailer
2005-01-21  7:53       ` Steven Hand
2005-01-21  8:08         ` Steven Hand
2005-01-21  2:35     ` Jody Belka
2005-01-21 11:06       ` Mark A. Williamson
2005-01-21 11:22       ` Mark A. Williamson
2005-01-21 23:37         ` Jody Belka
2005-01-22 17:20           ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-22 18:16             ` Jody Belka
2005-01-23 17:52               ` Multiple netif device channels (was Fw: Xen on /. again) Mark Williamson
2005-01-25  0:32                 ` Jody Belka
2005-01-25 13:52                   ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-25 23:06                 ` Multiple netif device channels Jody Belka
2005-01-26 20:36                   ` Mark Williamson
2005-01-27  0:51                     ` Jody Belka
2005-01-27 14:00                       ` Jody Belka
2005-01-21  0:19   ` Fw: Xen on /. again Trent Jaeger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-21  1:25 Ian Pratt

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