From: Rich Townsend <rhdt-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
To: Simon Fowler <simon-Ji7FXtOmRLs@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Re: Smart Battery System driver
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:22:01 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41F101F9.7030705@bartol.udel.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050121100618.GA3945-Ji7FXtOmRLs@public.gmane.org>
Simon Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2005 at 02:04:16PM -0800, Grover, Andrew wrote:
>
>>>>From a distribution point of view, it would be nice to:
>>>
>>>a) Not have to rewrite every acpi battery applet to use the sbs
>>>interface directly, and
>>>b) Not have to have a database of hardware that has a smart battery
>>>
>>>Is there any way to provide the legacy interface even if standard
>>>battery support is built in, or alternatively some way of probing the
>>>system to determine which battery module should be loaded?
>>
>>Hasn't anyone written a libpower yet? Battery applets shouldn't be
>>groveling around proc, they should be making library calls. OK all
>>existing apps would need to be changed (probably a big code reduction
>>actually) but this would let the library look for both CM and sbs
>>interfaces (which should not pretend to be a CMBatt of course) and
>>handle them.
>>
>
> From my perspective (I'm the current maintainer of the wmacpi
> battery monitor dockapp), all this would be much much easier if
> there was some documentation of what exactly all the files in
> /proc/acpi /mean/. I've had to root around in the kernel source to
> work out what some of it does.
Even then, what the *kernel* does can be misleading or incorrect. For
instance, in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info, the "battery technology"
field should be reporting "primary" or "secondary", based on the
information it gets from the appropriate DSDT control methods (_BIF, I
think). However, the implementor of battery.c has misread the ACPI spec
to mean that "primary" always denotes "non-rechargeable", and
"secondary" always denotes "rechargeable".
This led to my previous laptop, which had a control-method primary
battery, reporting the battery as non-rechargeable -- when of course it
wasn't.
This really does highlight why a proper library is needed for battery
access -- both to hide the details of whether the battery is CM-based or
SB-based, but also to remove the additional layer of obfustication added
by proc.
cheers
Rich
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2005-01-20 22:04 Re: Smart Battery System driver Grover, Andrew
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2005-01-20 22:12 ` Karol Kozimor
2005-01-21 0:03 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-01-21 12:02 ` Paul Ionescu
2005-01-21 10:06 ` Simon Fowler
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2005-01-21 13:22 ` Rich Townsend [this message]
2005-01-21 14:14 ` Stefan Seyfried
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2005-01-21 17:06 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41F136AE.3010603-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-21 17:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-01-21 18:04 ` Rich Townsend
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2005-01-21 18:22 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-01-21 17:56 ` Stefan Seyfried
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2005-01-14 19:23 Rich Townsend
2005-01-15 0:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-01-15 3:03 ` Johannes Kuhlmann
2005-01-15 10:57 ` Johan Vromans
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2005-01-15 14:24 ` Johannes Kuhlmann
2005-01-16 8:55 ` Rich Townsend
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2005-01-16 10:48 ` François Valenduc
[not found] ` <41EA4661.4000304-IWqWACnzNjyZIoH1IeqzKA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-16 14:36 ` François Valenduc
2005-01-16 10:49 ` Karol Kozimor
2005-01-17 11:41 ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-01-17 16:27 ` Pedro Venda
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2005-01-18 1:36 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41EC6829.1070901-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-18 11:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-01-18 11:23 ` Zdzisław A. Kaleta
[not found] ` <200501181223.22954.sanskryt-FWhLrETftxM@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-18 12:20 ` Zdzisław A. Kaleta
2005-01-18 15:46 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-18 3:03 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41EC7C7D.1070003-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-18 4:39 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41EC9316.80109-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-18 13:00 ` Pedro Venda
2005-01-19 4:32 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-19 9:36 ` Johan Vromans
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2005-01-19 13:31 ` Rich Townsend
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2005-01-19 18:49 ` Jeroen Wijnhout
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2005-01-19 19:10 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
2005-01-19 21:55 ` Johan Vromans
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2005-01-19 22:24 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-20 8:36 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
[not found] ` <200501192010.25975.o.jansen-n+qsWun7DryELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-20 9:10 ` Jeroen Wijnhout
2005-01-20 3:03 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41EF1F6A.5000807-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-20 15:12 ` Pedro Venda
[not found] ` <41EFCA59.6040100-pQd4kjVL+REh2FBCd0jGRA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-20 16:04 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41EFD672.2040308-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-20 21:10 ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-09-06 3:25 ` Antoni Villalonga
[not found] ` <75eeb70e05090520257be89afa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-06 6:19 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
[not found] ` <200509060819.13292.o.jansen-n+qsWun7DryELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-06 6:48 ` Yu Luming
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2005-09-06 6:54 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
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2005-09-06 6:57 ` Yu Luming
[not found] ` <200509061457.23947.luming.yu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-06 7:05 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
2005-09-06 8:41 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
[not found] ` <200509061041.21722.o.jansen-n+qsWun7DryELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-06 9:34 ` Yu Luming
[not found] ` <200509061734.11182.luming.yu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2005-09-06 11:57 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
2005-09-08 9:04 ` Olaf Jansen-Olliges
2005-09-06 6:38 ` Yu Luming
2005-09-06 19:53 ` Antoni Villalonga
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2005-09-06 20:38 ` François Valenduc
2005-09-09 21:59 ` Antoni Villalonga
2005-09-07 7:51 ` David Gómez
2005-01-21 0:31 ` ultrakorne
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2005-01-25 4:54 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-20 20:38 ` Johan Vromans
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2005-01-20 20:48 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-20 21:31 ` Johan Vromans
[not found] ` <m2sm4v4wk7.fsf-KjnUIgV0B0bak1Ioo/c9IoRWq/SkRNHw@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-21 2:57 ` Bernard Blackham
2005-01-21 13:20 ` Pedro Venda
2005-01-21 13:24 ` Johan Vromans
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2005-01-21 13:34 ` Pedro Venda
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2005-01-21 13:26 ` Rich Townsend
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2005-01-21 13:42 ` Pedro Venda
[not found] ` <41F106C9.5020404-pQd4kjVL+REh2FBCd0jGRA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-21 15:01 ` Rich Townsend
[not found] ` <41F11940.5010101-OBnUx95tOyn10jlvfTC4gA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-21 20:16 ` Pedro Venda
[not found] ` <41F1631C.1030701-pQd4kjVL+REh2FBCd0jGRA@public.gmane.org>
2005-01-21 20:31 ` Rich Townsend
2005-01-21 14:17 ` Zdzisław A. Kaleta
2005-01-23 16:02 ` Pavel Machek
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2005-01-23 17:36 ` Pedro Venda
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2005-01-24 11:50 ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-01-18 10:26 ` Bruno Ducrot
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2005-01-18 15:39 ` Rich Townsend
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2005-01-19 11:09 ` Bruno Ducrot
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