From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Arnd Bergmann Subject: Re: [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-cifs-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: "Joseph S. Myers" Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, john.stultz-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org, hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org, tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org, geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org, lftan-EIB2kfCEclfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, ceph-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, cluster-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, coda-ETDLCGt7PQU3uPMLIKxrzw@public.gmane.org, codalist-/uMB558Y47wP4a1z8dhFYw@public.gmane.org, fuse-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-afs-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org, linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-f2fs-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-mtd-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org, linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-ntfs-dev-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, logfs-PCqxUs/MD9bYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org, ocfs2-devel-N0ozoZBvEnrZJqsBc5GL+g@public.gmane.org, reiserfs-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, samba-technical-w/Ol4Ecudpl8XjKLYN78aQ@public.gmane.org, xfs-VZNHf3L845pBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org List-Id: ceph-devel.vger.kernel.org On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Arnd Bergmann Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Subject: [Cluster-devel] [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> List-Id: To: cluster-devel.redhat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.131]:52444 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751094AbaFBTUy (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jun 2014 15:20:54 -0400 From: Arnd Bergmann Subject: Re: [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: linux-arch-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: To: "Joseph S. Myers" Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, john.stultz@linaro.org, hch@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, geert@linux-m68k.org, lftan@altera.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, logfs@logfs.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com Message-ID: <20140602191955.gJF60pggsizwXKPzH7QhgxaCzjx_LszI3blVWAMdBX4@z> On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.131]:52444 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751094AbaFBTUy (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Jun 2014 15:20:54 -0400 From: Arnd Bergmann To: "Joseph S. Myers" Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, john.stultz@linaro.org, hch@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, geert@linux-m68k.org, lftan@altera.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, codalist@TELEMANN.coda.cs.cmu.edu, fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, logfs@logfs.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Arnd Bergmann To: "Joseph S. Myers" Subject: Re: [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: hch@infradead.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com, logfs@logfs.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, geert@linux-m68k.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com, john.stultz@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, lftan@altera.com, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org List-Id: Linux MTD discussion mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sgi.com (relay3.corp.sgi.com [198.149.34.15]) by oss.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5340B29DF8 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:21:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cuda.sgi.com (cuda1.sgi.com [192.48.157.11]) by relay3.corp.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA679AC003 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 12:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) by cuda.sgi.com with ESMTP id eYbLiBP1FjClYlzr (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Arnd Bergmann Subject: Re: [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Id: XFS Filesystem from SGI List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com Sender: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com To: "Joseph S. Myers" Cc: hch@infradead.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, hpa@zytor.com, logfs@logfs.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, codalist@coda.cs.cmu.edu, cluster-devel@redhat.com, coda@cs.cmu.edu, geert@linux-m68k.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com, john.stultz@linaro.org, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ntfs-dev@lists.sourceforge.net, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, lftan@altera.com, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Arnd Bergmann Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 21:19:55 +0200 Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [RFC 00/32] making inode time stamps y2038 ready In-Reply-To: References: <1401480116-1973111-1-git-send-email-arnd@arndb.de> Message-ID: <4233989.Saca0ocOUr@wuerfel> List-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Joseph S. Myers" Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, john.stultz-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org, hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org, tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org, geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org, lftan-EIB2kfCEclfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, ceph-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, cluster-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, coda-ETDLCGt7PQU3uPMLIKxrzw@public.gmane.org, codalist-/uMB558Y47wP4a1z8dhFYw@public.gmane.org, fuse-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-afs-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org, linux-btrfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-f2fs-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-mtd-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org, linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-ntfs-dev-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org, linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, logfs-PCqxUs/MD9bYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org, ocfs2-devel-N0ozoZBvEnrZJqsBc5GL+g@public.gmane.org, reiserfs-devel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, samba-technical-w/Ol4Ecudpl8XjKLYN78aQ@public.gmane.org, xfs-VZNHf3L845pBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org On Monday 02 June 2014 13:52:19 Joseph S. Myers wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > a) is this the right approach in general? The previous discussion > > pointed this way, but there may be other opinions. > > The syscall changes seem like the sort of thing I'd expect, although > patches adding new syscalls or otherwise affecting the kernel/userspace > interface (as opposed to those relating to an individual filesystem) > should go to linux-api as well as other relevant lists. Ok. Sorry about missing linux-api, I confused it with linux-arch, which may not be as relevant here, except for the one question whether we actually want to have the new ABI on all 32-bit architectures or only as an opt-in for those that expect to stay around for another 24 years. Two more questions for you: - are you (and others) happy with adding this type of stat syscall (fstatat64/fstat64) as opposed to the more generic xstat that has been discussed in the past and that never made it through the bike- shedding discussion? - once we have enough buy-in from reviewers to merge this initial series, should we proceed to define rest of the syscall ABI (minus driver ioctls) so glibc and kernel can do the conversion on top of that, or should we better try to do things one syscall family at a time and actually get the kernel to handle them correctly internally? Arnd