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From: Paul Clements <paul.clements@steeleye.com>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:03:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <423B09EF.8070708@steeleye.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7e6rg2-pj1.ln1@news.it.uc3m.es>

Peter T. Breuer wrote:
> Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de> wrote:
> 
>>On 2005-03-18T13:52:54, "Peter T. Breuer" <ptb@lab.it.uc3m.es> wrote:

>>The problem is for multi-nodes, both sides have their own bitmap. When a
>>split scenario occurs,

> Here I think you mean that both nodes go their independent ways, due to
> somebody tripping over the network cables, or whatever.

Yes, or just a failover, where the active system crashes or is taken 
down (while the bitmap is dirty).


>>and both sides begin modifying the data, that
>>bitmap needs to be merged before resync, or else we risk 'forgetting'
>>that one side dirtied a block.

Right. And eventually we'd like to have that capability (of recombining 
bitmaps).


> Could you set out the scenario very exactly, please, for those of us at
> the back of the class :-). I simply don't see it. I'm not saying it's
> not there to be seen, but that I have been unable to build a mental
> image of the situation from the description :(.

Typically, in a cluster environment, you set up a raid1 with a local 
disk and an nbd (or one of its variants) below it:

    [raid1]
    /     \
[disk]  [nbd] ---------> other system


The situation he's talking about is, as you put it "somebody tripping 
over the network cables".

In that case, you'll end up with this:

    system A       system B
    [raid1]        [raid1]
    /     \        /     \
[disk]  [XXX]  [disk]  [XXX]


Where there's a degraded raid1 writing only to the local disk on each 
system (and a dirty bitmap on both sides).

The solution is to combine the bitmaps and resync in one direction or 
the other. Otherwise, you've got to do a full resync...

--
Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-18 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-09 22:18 [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes Paul Clements
2005-03-09 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Paul Clements
2005-03-14  4:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Neil Brown
2005-03-14  9:44   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-14 10:22     ` Neil Brown
2005-03-14 11:24       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-14 22:54         ` Neil Brown
2005-03-18 10:33           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 12:52             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 13:42               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 14:50                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 17:03                   ` Paul Clements [this message]
2005-03-18 18:43                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 19:01                       ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-18 19:33                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 20:24                           ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-18 21:01                             ` Andy Smith
2005-03-19 11:43                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 12:58                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 13:27                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 14:07                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 15:06                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 15:24                                       ` Mario Holbe
2005-03-19 15:58                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 16:24                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 17:19                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 17:36                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 17:44                                         ` Guy
2005-03-19 17:54                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 18:05                                             ` Guy
2005-03-19 20:29                                             ` berk walker
2005-03-19 18:11                                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-18 19:43                       ` Paul Clements
2005-03-19 12:10                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 16:07                           ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 18:56                             ` Luca Berra
2005-03-21 19:58                               ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 20:45                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 21:09                                   ` Gil
2005-03-21 21:19                                   ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 22:15                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-22 22:35                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-21 21:32                                   ` Guy
2005-03-22  9:35                                 ` Luca Berra
2005-03-22 10:02                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-23 20:31                                     ` Luca Berra
2005-03-25 18:51                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-25 20:54                                         ` berk walker
2005-03-25 20:56                                           ` berk walker
2005-03-18 17:16                 ` Luca Berra
2005-03-18 17:57                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-18 21:46                   ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19  9:05                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-03-19 12:16                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 12:34                       ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 12:53                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 16:08                           ` "Robust Read" (was: [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes) Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 17:03                             ` "Robust Read" Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 20:20                               ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 20:56                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-19 22:05                                   ` Michael Tokarev
2005-03-19 22:30                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-03-15  4:24   ` [PATCH 1/2] md bitmap bug fixes Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:51   ` [PATCH 0/3] md bitmap-based asynchronous writes Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:53     ` [PATCH 1/3] md bitmap async write enabling Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:55       ` [PATCH 2/3] md bitmap async writes for raid1 Paul Clements
2005-03-17 20:56         ` [PATCH 3/3] mdadm: bitmap async writes Paul Clements
2005-03-21  4:21     ` [PATCH 0/3] md bitmap-based asynchronous writes Neil Brown
2005-03-21 16:31       ` Paul Clements
2005-03-21 22:09         ` Neil Brown
2005-03-22  8:35           ` Peter T. Breuer

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