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From: Mark Bidewell <mark.bidewell@alumni.clemson.edu>
To: Bruno Ducrot <ducrot@poupinou.org>
Cc: cpufreq@lists.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: Possible CPUFreq governor
Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:51:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4276224D.5020005@alumni.clemson.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050427190416.GE2298@poupinou.org>

I have been examining the structure and design of the ondemand govenor 
further.  Would it be accurate to characterize your concern as basically 
that under heavy process load, the p-state switching latency becomes 
longer than the timeslices and thus could dominate the CPU?  Or is there 
an issue with processor damage?

Bruno Ducrot wrote:

>On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 02:18:27PM -0400, Mark Bidewell wrote:
>  
>
>>It might help to explain how the governor is used. I have a user-mode
>>daemon which samples the ACPI temperature every 2 seconds and communicates
>>the speed at which non-interactive processes should be run via the sysfs
>>interface.  The scheduler will then determine a processes interactivity
>>and change the CPU speed accordingly.  In theory the processor could
>>change speeds every process switch.
>>    
>>
>
>That why I have to do tests in case there is a lot of those process
>switch but when modifiying max frequency instead.
>
>  
>
>>This governor is indeed similar to the ondemand governor.  The distinction
>>is that while the ondemand governor expands CPU performance as load
>>increases, tempscale must limit performance.  In my opinion, the ultimate
>>solution would be a combination of the two governors.  That is, a governor
>>which would react in the following way:
>>
>>1)  If the processor is idle, run at low speeds to conserve power (ondemand).
>>2)  Increase performance with demand as long a temperature is low (ondemand)
>>3)  If temperatures get to high, throttle compute-bound processes (tempscale)
>>
>>I have done some limited experiments along this line using a user-mode
>>daemon to switch governors (as well as speeds) between tempscale and
>>ondemand as temperatures change.
>>    
>>
>
>That's why I suggest to touch max frequency, not the actual frequency.
>
>This must be done outside a governor, so that you can have both actually.
>I'll send you a patch after writing it for testing purpose so that you will
>see what I have in mind.
>
>  
>

  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-02 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-26 23:39 Possible CPUFreq governor Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 10:53 ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 11:02   ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 11:08   ` Ivor Hewitt
2005-04-27 12:30     ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 14:07       ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 16:20         ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 17:38           ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 18:18             ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 19:04               ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-05-02 12:51                 ` Mark Bidewell [this message]
2005-04-27 12:25   ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 13:54     ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 16:10       ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 17:03         ` Bruno Ducrot
2005-04-27 17:19           ` Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27 17:45             ` Bruno Ducrot
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-04-27  0:12 Mark Bidewell
2005-04-27  0:13 Mark Bidewell
2005-05-02 14:02 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2005-05-02 14:30 ` Mark Bidewell

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