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From: Matthias Andree <matthias.andree@gmx.de>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: toon@hout.vanvergehaald.nl, mrmacman_g4@mac.com, ltd@cisco.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dtor_core@ameritech.net,
	7eggert@gmx.de
Subject: Re: OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:21:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <429DE087.606@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <429DDA07.nail7BFA4XEC5@burner>

Joerg Schilling wrote:

> Think again what you like to tell me here.... You like to tell me
> cdrecord is one of thousands of bad programs but it is the first
> program that introduced stability at command line level if talking about
> generic SCSI usage. 
> 
> If somebody later develops something like udev (did not see it yet)
> I would asume that this person would look at earlyer stable software and
> provide some way of integration.

Heck. The whole issue is that cdrecord is unjustly complaining when it
is given a device node that is perfect. For my 2.6.11 system, /dev/hdd
(ATAPI hardware, ide-cd device) is as stable as it will get, yet
cdrecord complains and attempts to coerce some numbering scheme that
Linux isn't offering through /dev/*. Same story with FreeBSD, I need to
figure out some intransparent ATAPI transport identifier rather than
just using /dev/acd0.

So your first step to pull the rug from underneath most of this
discussion is just to disable this unnecessary warning for the ATA:
interface, whether it is

	Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.

or

	Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface.

This is your personal vendetta against Linux device naming or numbering,
 hence policy, and not a technical reason to complain. Particularly, if
cdrecord can use the device node, it MUST not print a warning, if you
think it's intentional or not.

Please remove these two warnings and you'll see a considerable part of
the discussion end.

ATAPI: is a different story, if the device doesn't support DMA (ide-scsi
bugs), that's a serious reason to avoid it, and the warning is justified.

-- 
Matthias Andree

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-01 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30  9:19 OT] Joerg Schilling flames Linux on his Blog Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-30  9:34 ` Toon van der Pas
2005-05-30 12:26   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 14:14     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-31 11:03       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31  7:29         ` Terry Vernon
2005-05-31 11:46         ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-31 16:59         ` Gerd Knorr
2005-05-31 19:05           ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-05-31 19:56             ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:20                 ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2005-06-01 16:55                 ` Gerd Knorr
2005-06-01  2:23             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-01 15:56               ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-03 13:29                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-01 16:28               ` Oliver Neukum
2005-06-01 15:41             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:11           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:42             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 16:55               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 17:50                   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:59                     ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-02  1:14                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-02  1:46                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-02  1:23                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-06-03 19:51                     ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-01 22:06                 ` Matthias Andree
2005-06-01 15:57             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-31 17:22         ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-31 19:28           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-31 20:54             ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-01 15:53             ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 16:05               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-01 17:03                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 17:28                   ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-02  2:08                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-01 17:35                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-02 10:34                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-01 16:21               ` Matthias Andree [this message]
2005-06-01 17:29                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:28           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-06-01 15:48             ` Jim Crilly
2005-05-30 13:38   ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-05-30  9:46 ` Joerg Schilling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-30 22:00 Lincoln Dale (ltd)
2005-05-31 11:17 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found] <48cRq-7TH-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <48cRq-7TH-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <48cRq-7TH-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <48dDM-5I-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <48wdp-7lh-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-05-26 21:53         ` Bodo Eggert
2005-05-26 23:12           ` Lee Revell
     [not found] <4847F-8q-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <E1Db3zm-0004vF-9j@be1.7eggert.dyndns.org>
2005-05-25 22:46   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:31     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 19:20       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-26 21:26         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 23:30           ` Matthias Andree
2005-05-27  9:39       ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-27 11:09         ` Wakko Warner
2005-05-27 14:21         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30  9:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-30 10:47             ` Markus Plail
2005-05-30 22:27             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-30 23:20               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-05-30 23:35               ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-05-31 12:51                 ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-31 12:47               ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505260205390.19389@be1.lrz>
2005-05-27 10:03       ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505271633200.3055@be1.lrz>
2005-05-30  9:36           ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0505301326450.2363@be1.lrz>
2005-05-31 10:57               ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 13:15 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-25 23:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-05-26 10:15   ` Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26 11:42     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-05-25 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2005-05-26  4:11 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-05-26  7:14   ` Markus Plail

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