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From: Paulo Marques <pmarques@grupopie.com>
To: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] local_irq_disable removal
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:03:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42AD761C.6060709@grupopie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200506112105.11067.gene.heskett@verizon.net>

Gene Heskett wrote:
> [...]
> Lets add the operation of 4 or more stepper motors in real time for 
> smaller milling machines.  There, the constraints are more related to 
> maintaining a steady flow of step/direction data at high enough 
> speeds to make a stepper, with 8 microsteps per step, and 240 steps 
> per revolution, run smoothly at speeds up to say 20 kilohertz, or 50 
> microseconds per step, maintaining that 50 microseconds plus or minus 
> not more than 5 microseconds else the motors will start sounding 
> ragged and stuttering.

This is the kind of problem that is screaming "give me dedicated 
hardware!". Why would one spend $500+ on a PC to do the work of a $2 
microcontroller (and possibly throw in an FPGA to the mix)?. Not to 
mention that the microcontroller/FPGA would maintain 50us +/- 0us 
instead of the 50 +/- 5 you've mentioned.

The same goes for the "hand under the saw". A simple 
transistor/triac/whatever and a logic circuit would stop the saw, we 
don't need any real time OS for that (and I would certainly trust the 
logic circuit more than any real time OS :).

IMHO, the kind of problems where real time OS's are useful are the kind 
that require computational power while having real-time constraints. 
Like the sound effects processor for the guitar that Lee Revell already 
mentioned or controlling an airplane in flight that has to measure a lot 
of sensors, do some state space calculations with some not-so-small 
matrices (together with Kalman filtering, etc.) and move the actuators.

-- 
Paulo Marques - www.grupopie.com

An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be
made in a very narrow field.
Niels Bohr (1885 - 1962)

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-13 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  7:08 [PATCH] local_irq_disable removal Daniel Walker
2005-06-08 11:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-08 20:33   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-09 11:56     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-10 23:37 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11  0:20   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 13:13     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 13:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 14:32         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 16:36           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 17:26             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-11 18:40               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-12  0:07                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-12  0:15                   ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-12  0:22                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-12  0:24                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 19:16             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 19:34               ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 19:44                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 19:53                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 20:23                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 22:59                     ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13  5:22                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-13  6:20                         ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13 12:28                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-06-11 20:03                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 20:51                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 23:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-11 23:50                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12  0:01                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-12  0:09                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-12  0:28                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-06-12  1:05                         ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-13 12:03                           ` Paulo Marques [this message]
2005-06-13 12:19                             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-12  4:50                       ` cutaway
2005-06-12  6:57                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 11:15                         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-12 11:52                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-13  7:01                           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13  7:53                             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-13  8:05                               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13  8:54                                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-13  9:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 15:28                         ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12  4:31                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12  4:32                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12  4:56                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12  4:55                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12  5:16                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12  5:14                               ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12  5:27                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 15:27                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-12 15:46                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-12 19:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12 17:02                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-13  7:08                   ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13  7:44                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-13  7:53                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-13  7:56                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-13  7:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 16:41           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 17:16             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 19:29               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 20:02               ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 16:19         ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 13:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 15:00         ` Mika Penttilä
2005-06-11 16:45           ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2005-06-11 16:53             ` Mika Penttilä
2005-06-11 17:13               ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 17:22                 ` Mika Penttilä
2005-06-11 17:25                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 17:29                     ` Mika Penttilä
2005-06-11 17:30                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 17:55                         ` Mika Penttilä
2005-06-11 16:28         ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 16:46           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 16:09       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-11 16:31         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-06-11 16:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-06-11 22:44   ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-06-12  6:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-12  9:28     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-06-13  4:39       ` [RT] " Steven Rostedt
2005-06-16  5:35       ` Lee Revell

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