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From: "André Tomt" <andre@tomt.net>
To: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Cc: 'Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz' <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
	'Ondrej Zary' <linux@rainbow-software.org>,
	'Linus Torvalds' <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [git patches] IDE update
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 01:25:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42C9C56D.7040701@tomt.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200507042033.XAA19724@raad.intranet>

Al Boldi wrote:
> Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote: {
> 
>>>>On 7/4/05, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> wrote:
>>>>Hdparm -tT gives 38mb/s in 2.4.31
>>>>Cat /dev/hda > /dev/null gives 2% user 33% sys 65% idle
>>>>
>>>>Hdparm -tT gives 28mb/s in 2.6.12
>>>>Cat /dev/hda > /dev/null gives 2% user 25% sys 0% idle 73% IOWAIT

The "hdparm doesn't get as high scores as in 2.4" is a old discussed to 
death "problem" on LKML. So far nobody has been able to show it affects 
anything  but that pretty useless quasi-benchmark.

>>>>It feels like DMA is not being applied properly in 2.6.12.
>>>
>>>Same on 2.6.10,11,12.
>>>No errors though, only sluggish system.

Really sluggish or just "benchmark-sluggish"? If the former, try 
selecting a different IO elevator/sheduler. If the latter it doesn't 
matter much, at least not with the very simple hdparm test :-)

>> 
>> What about earlier kernels?
>> Please try to narrow down the problem to a specific kernel version.
>> }
> 
> Don't know about 2.6.0-2.6.9, but 2.4.31 is ok.
> 
> Bartlomiej,
> When you compare 2.4.31 with 2.6.12 don't you see this problem on your
> machine?
> If you have a fast system the slowdown won't show, but your IOWAIT will be
> higher anyway!

Nothing wrong with 73% iowait, I'd even consider it very low while 
putting load on a harddrive. Its just time spent waiting for data to be 
returned from disk, and thus I usually expect no lower than ~98-99% 
while stressing any disk. Harddisks are _slow as snails_ compared to cpu 
cycles ;-)

Beware 2.4 didn't export that statistic at all to userspace, so 0% 
iowait gets reported from most 2.6-ready reporting tools on 2.4.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-04 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-03 16:52 [git patches] IDE update Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-04 12:01 ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 12:01   ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 12:30   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-04 15:30     ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 15:30       ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 15:41       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-04 17:06         ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 17:06           ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 17:38           ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-04 19:51             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-04 20:32               ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 20:32                 ` Al Boldi
2005-07-04 20:47                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-04 23:25                 ` André Tomt [this message]
2005-07-05  3:43                   ` IOWAIT block layer problem Al Boldi
2005-07-05  3:43                     ` Al Boldi
2005-07-05 10:01                   ` [git patches] IDE update Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 10:14                     ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 10:19                       ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 10:42                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 12:35                           ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 12:51                             ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 13:02                               ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 13:11                                 ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 15:51                                   ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 14:21                                     ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 15:00                                       ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 19:18                                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 19:25                                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 21:36                                           ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-05 17:27                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-05 19:14                                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-05 21:39                                           ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-11 14:21                                           ` Alan Cox
2005-07-06  0:35                                       ` Grant Coady
2005-07-06  0:51                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-06  3:26                                           ` Al Boldi
2005-07-06  4:56                                           ` Grant Coady
2005-07-06  5:22                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-08  8:48                                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-08  9:24                                                 ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-08  9:34                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08  9:53                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-08 22:25                                                       ` Steven Pratt
2005-07-09  5:40                                                         ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-09 21:39                                                           ` Al Boldi
2005-07-08 10:20                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-07-08 11:45                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-07-07 22:32                                         ` Mark Lord
2005-07-08  0:06                                           ` Grant Coady
2005-07-08 11:37                                             ` Erik Slagter
2005-07-06 20:56                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-07 13:47                           ` Ondrej Zary
2005-07-07 13:48                           ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-07-07 19:34                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-05  2:47 ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-08-18 21:37 [git patches] ide update Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-08-18 22:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-08-18 22:19   ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-08-19  0:44   ` Mark Lord
2005-08-18 23:08 ` Alan Cox
2005-08-19  9:02   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-08-19 18:06     ` Alan Cox
2005-08-19 23:51       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-08-19 23:52         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-11-10  1:00 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-11-18 23:21 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-11-19 23:46 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-12-15  2:03 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-05-09 22:46 [git patches] IDE update Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-05-09 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-09 23:20   ` David Miller
2007-05-09 23:23   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-05-09 23:18     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-09 22:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-09 22:59   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-09 23:15     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-09 21:46 Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz

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