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From: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
To: Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com, varap@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Merging relayfs?
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:35:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42E5A168.4000600@opersys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17121.44053.855399.587966@tut.ibm.com>


Tom Zanussi wrote:
> In userspace, the sub-buffer reading loop looks at the commit value in
> the sub-buffer, and if it matches (sub-buffer size - padding), the
> buffer has been completely written and can be saved, otherwise it's
> not yet complete and is checked again the next time around.  This way,
> there's no need for a deliver() callback, the relay_commit() is
> replaced with the increment of the reserved commit value, the arrays
> aren't needed and you get the same result in the end in a much simpler
> way, IMHO.

Actually this has a much greater potential of loosing buffers because
we have to poll the buffer for completion. Seen another way, the kernel-
side has got to wait until the user-side has "figured out" that it needs
to commit content to disk. As it was originally, it was relatively
straightforward to dertermine why data was lost: ok, we've signaled it
from kernel space, but the daemon never flushed it out. Without commit/
deliver, things are much less clear, and I still miss what gain we
are making by removing them.

I would very much like to see the commit/deliver functionality back.
Such mechanisms are required for any sane producer-consumer model.

Karim
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-26  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-12  1:10 Merging relayfs? Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  1:45 ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12  2:17   ` Dave Airlie
2005-07-12  2:22   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  9:12     ` Baruch Even
2005-07-12  2:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  2:34   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12  2:59     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-14 13:26     ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-14 15:01       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17 14:04         ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-17 15:52           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18  5:17             ` Hareesh Nagarajan
2005-07-18 14:31               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 13:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-18 14:16               ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 14:32                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-18 15:20                   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 15:58                     ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-22 20:43                       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-22 23:19                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-23  2:31                           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-26  2:35                             ` Karim Yaghmour [this message]
2005-07-22 20:43                       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-18 15:06                   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 14:41               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18  8:40         ` Richard J Moore
2005-07-12 13:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12  3:05 ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  3:03   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  3:24     ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  3:52       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  4:30         ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  4:40           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  5:23             ` Greg KH
2005-07-12 14:36               ` Steve Rotolo
2005-07-12  3:55       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  4:27         ` Greg KH
2005-07-12 14:01 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 14:21   ` Baruch Even
2005-07-12 15:30     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 15:16   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 15:44     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 16:27       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 17:01         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 17:23           ` Tom Zanussi
     [not found]             ` <Pine.BSO.4.62.0507121935500.6919@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
     [not found]               ` <17108.1906.628755.613285@tut.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.BSO.4.62.0507122026520.6919@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
     [not found]                   ` <17108.5721.202275.377020@tut.ibm.com>
2005-07-12 19:29                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 20:44                       ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-12 21:02               ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 12:40                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13 15:04                   ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 16:22                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13  4:29           ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 13:47             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13 15:55               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-13 15:56               ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 16:50                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 14:58 ` Jason Baron
2005-07-12 15:26   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 15:53   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 16:08     ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:23       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 16:36         ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:49           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 17:01             ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 21:38               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 23:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13  0:08                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-16 21:07 ` relayfs documentation sucks? bert hubert
2005-07-16 23:13   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17  9:01     ` [PATCH] " bert hubert
2005-07-17 15:43       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17 19:45         ` bert hubert
2005-07-17 20:47           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 13:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-20 21:27             ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-20 21:45               ` bert hubert
2005-07-21  0:31                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-22 20:01                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-22 20:33                   ` relayfs as infrastructure, ltt, systemtap, diskstat bert hubert
2005-07-23 18:53                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-23 18:53                   ` [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks? Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-25 23:47                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-26  5:15                       ` bert hubert
     [not found] <17107.6290.734560.231978@tut.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20050712022537.GA26128@infradead.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <20050711193409.043ecb14.akpm@osdl.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-12  4:36     ` Merging relayfs? Andi Kleen
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2005-07-13  8:13 Spirakis, Charles

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