From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:20:22 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4306A176.3090907@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
Howard Chu wrote:
> You assume that spinlocks are the only reason a developer may want to
> yield the processor. This assumption is unfounded. Case in point - the
> primary backend in OpenLDAP uses a transactional database with
> page-level locking of its data structures to provide high levels of
> concurrency. It is the nature of such a system to encounter deadlocks
> over the normal course of operations. When a deadlock is detected, some
> thread must be chosen (by one of a variety of algorithms) to abort its
> transaction, in order to allow other operations to proceed to
> completion. In this situation, the chosen thread must get control of the
> CPU long enough to clean itself up, and then it must yield the CPU in
> order to allow any other competing threads to complete their
> transaction. The thread with the aborted transaction relinquishes all of
> its locks and then waits to get another shot at the CPU to try
> everything over again. Again, this is all fundamental to the nature of
> transactional programming. If the 2.6 kernel makes this programming
> model unreasonably slow, then quite simply this kernel is not viable as
> a database platform.
I fail to see how sched_yield is going to be very helpful in this
situation. Since that call can sleep from a range of time ranging from
zero to a long time, it's going to give unpredictable results.
It seems to me that this sort of thing is why we have POSIX pthread
synchronization primitives.. sched_yield is basically there for a
process to indicate that "what I'm doing doesn't matter much, let other
stuff run". Any other use of it generally constitutes some kind of hack.
--
Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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[not found] <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-08-20 3:20 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2005-08-20 4:18 ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Nick Piggin
2005-08-20 18:38 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 20:57 ` Lee Revell
2005-08-20 21:24 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-21 0:36 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-21 11:33 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-22 8:06 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 21:50 ` Lee Revell
2005-08-21 1:04 ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-22 11:44 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-22 14:26 ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-23 11:17 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-23 12:07 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-08-24 3:37 ` Lincoln Dale
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25 9:02 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51 ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-26 1:07 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26 8:30 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26 9:01 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50 ` Nikita Danilov
[not found] <5uZqb-4fo-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-14 22:47 ` Robert Hancock
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2006-01-14 19:29 Howard Chu
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2005-08-20 13:48 ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-21 19:47 ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22 5:09 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:06 ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-22 18:47 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:20 ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22 23:19 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 6:03 Howard Chu
2005-08-19 6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19 6:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-08-19 22:45 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-19 23:10 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 13:23 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-20 19:49 ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 22:08 ` Nikita Danilov
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2005-08-19 3:19 ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-19 3:30 ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18 0:50 Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18 0:47 ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-18 10:48 ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-08-18 1:07 ` Joseph Fannin
2005-08-18 2:25 ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18 2:58 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19 3:10 ` Bernardo Innocenti
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