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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: andersen@codepoet.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:19:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4319BEF5.2070000@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050903064124.GA31400@codepoet.org>

Erik Andersen wrote:
> 
> That is certainly not what I was proposing.  Why are you bringing
> sys/stat.h into this?  The contents of sys/stat.h are entirely up
> to SUSv3 and the C library to worry about.  Nobody has proposed
> mucking with that.  I dunno about your C library, but mine
> doesn't include linux/* header files (not even sys/stat.h).  And
> I'd really like to fix uClibc to not use any asm/* either, since
> much of it is entirely unsuitable for user space.
> 

That's the whole problem here, isn't it, so let's fix it the sane way 
instead of putting Descartes before Dehorse.

Anyway, to answer your implied question is: since I explicitly don't 
have to worry about forward ABI compatibility, I expose the kernel ABI 
raw.  Thus I want to be able to use the kernel ABI directly, including 
for things like struct stat.  It poses a particularly interesting 
problem, actually, because the real stat system call is called stat64 on 
most platforms.

Thus, an ABIzed <linux/abi/stat.h> or whatever it's called might export 
  "struct __kabi_stat" and "struct __kabi_stat64" with the expectation 
that the caller would "#define __kabi_stat64 stat" if that is the 
version they want.  A typedef isn't good enough for C, since you can't 
typedef struct tags.

	-hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-03 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-02  3:00 [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 13:41 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-02 20:51   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:58     ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  0:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:30         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  0:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:50             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  4:28         ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  5:50             ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:41                 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03 15:01                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03 15:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2005-09-03 16:55                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05 16:35                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-05 23:28                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06  1:29                           ` [RFC][MEGAPATCH] Change __ASSEMBLY__ to __ASSEMBLER__ (defined by GCC from 2.95 to current CVS) Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:40                             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:45                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-10 17:38                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10 22:04                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  0:33                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-11  0:48                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  3:15                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12  8:09                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 15:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 15:47                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 17:17                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-12 21:14                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 21:39                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 17:18                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 17:51                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 21:04                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-14 13:56                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-15 21:53                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2005-09-03  5:55           ` [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  5:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:05               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 15:36             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-03 16:33               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 16:51                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-14 13:46         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-14 17:01           ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-14 17:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-14 18:14           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-14 19:09             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-14 19:20               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-14 19:46               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 21:42 ` Jeff Dike
2005-09-02 21:55   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 22:44     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 23:41         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:53           ` H. Peter Anvin

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