From: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
To: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>
Cc: Patrick Mansfield <patmans@us.ibm.com>,
Luben Tuikov <ltuikov@yahoo.com>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:56:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <433B0374.4090100@adaptec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10509281227570.19896-100000@master.linux-ide.org>
On 09/28/05 15:45, Andre Hedrick wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> You have hit on one of the key word of my downfall.
>
> Specifications!!!
>
> I believe in them and they are the inflexable state machine which all OSes
> are required to address.
Me too. I live and breathe by them.
> I am for following the rules of the spec, and will bet Linus would now
> agree more so than before.
Me too.
An interesting thing which "the community" would appreciate is
that M$ has aggressively started to "go by the spec" as far
as SCSI is concerned.
Ding-ding!
> The problem is SCSI is a strange beast without
> a formal FSM. It is more of a BusPhase psuedo stated transport. It is
Oh, no, no, no! So much has changed Andre.
Just take a look at SAM, and I'm sure that you'll appreciate the object
oriented design, the abstractions, etc. Really!
Recently all new protocols follow _explicit_ state machine definitions
at each layer they define, and how it interacts with the layer
above and below again by FSMs. It's all a good thing.
> Luben, I have a vested interest in seeing SAS run via SCSI. So this means
> you have one ex-demi-god from the world of maintainers looking to pull you
> have towards the current path and open to ideas and willing to back a
> better design and push it.
Ok, thanks Andre. Much appreciated.
You are the first person to back me up _publicly_. Now if we
can find a person from "the community" to do that, and get all
the other people who've written me _privately_, we'd be in
good shape.
Luben
P.S. Not sure if you have seen this link:
http://linux.adaptec.com/sas/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-09-28 20:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-26 19:38 I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 21:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 22:51 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:14 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:37 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 12:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-28 14:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30 1:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2005-09-28 16:27 ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-09-28 16:34 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 19:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 20:56 ` Luben Tuikov [this message]
2005-09-28 22:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-28 23:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 23:29 ` David S. Miller
2005-09-29 5:30 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 7:24 ` David S. Miller
2005-09-30 7:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 18:34 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 19:08 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:31 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 22:10 ` Greg Freemyer
2005-09-30 22:19 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01 4:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-10-03 15:08 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:04 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 22:14 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01 0:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:18 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:26 ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothe kernel David Lang
2005-10-03 15:19 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:30 ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothekernel David Lang
2005-10-03 16:01 ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 20:45 ` James Bottomley
2005-09-30 22:05 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01 0:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 15:27 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 22:04 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 22:32 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:15 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 16:23 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:03 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:32 ` Mike Christie
2005-10-03 20:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:10 ` Mike Christie
2005-09-30 18:51 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:33 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 15:50 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:25 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:15 ` grundig
2005-09-29 15:17 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-09-29 16:33 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:58 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:09 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-09-29 17:13 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-09-29 18:39 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 22:43 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-29 17:52 ` John Stoffel
2005-09-29 19:20 ` Bruce Ferrell
2005-09-28 22:43 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 15:04 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:22 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 19:09 ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 22:06 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 16:30 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-28 16:35 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 2:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 20:36 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 21:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 22:10 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 4:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29 7:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-29 15:09 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:56 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 18:16 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-29 17:15 ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 19:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29 19:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-29 22:49 ` jerome lacoste
2005-09-29 23:20 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 23:57 ` Prasenjit Sarkar
2005-09-30 6:35 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 0:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30 1:25 ` Hua Zhong
2005-09-30 2:42 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-09-30 19:12 ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-30 19:38 ` Bob Copeland
2005-09-30 7:29 ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-30 14:23 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 16:26 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 16:47 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 14:07 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 5:31 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-30 6:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 19:59 ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:37 ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:22 ` Stefan Richter
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-27 13:07 Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 13:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-27 15:01 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 15:53 ` James Bottomley
2005-09-27 19:35 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 20:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 21:44 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 22:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 23:03 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:32 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-28 2:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 0:28 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 0:28 ` Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 1:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 1:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:42 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 15:15 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 15:15 ` Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 16:59 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 22:17 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 22:17 ` Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-29 12:46 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:45 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-29 15:45 ` Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-30 1:28 Martin Fouts
2005-09-30 17:07 Salyzyn, Mark
2005-09-30 17:07 ` Salyzyn, Mark
2005-09-30 17:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-01 23:55 ` Alan Cox
2005-10-03 16:17 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 6:51 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-04 15:01 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:39 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 19:21 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 20:14 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 20:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-30 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-01 17:46 ` Greg KH
2005-09-30 20:32 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:15 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 21:40 ` Joel Becker
2005-09-30 22:01 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:42 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 13:54 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:29 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 16:35 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-10-03 16:39 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:16 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 21:26 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-03 22:04 ` Ryan Anderson
2005-10-03 22:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-03 23:22 ` Al Viro
2005-10-04 13:55 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-04 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-04 14:38 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 14:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:19 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:40 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-10-04 6:30 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-01 0:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01 0:01 ` Jeff Garzik
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