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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	davej@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] libata: fix broken Kconfig setup
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:38:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4353E1A4.4050404@pobox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0510171017010.3369@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> The _best_ choice as far as I can tell, is to just dis-associate SATA from 
> SCSI entirely. Even if it's an implementation choice, we could make it a 
> "select SCSI" instead of "depends on SCSI", so that from a _logical_ 
> standpoint the user could just select SATA support without even knowing 
> that the kernel happens to need the SCSI layer for it.

Yep.  That would happen as a side effect of moving the code to 
drivers/ata, even.


> Of course, eventually I still hope that SATA could be done on the block 
> layer instead of even depending on SCSI at all, but hey, that's a totally 
> different issue.

If you look at libata-scsi, the code is simply a SCSI simulator that 
calls a _clean_ and _separate_ libATA API.

Other code -- such as a block-layer driver -- could use this same API. 
I think Bart has mentioned he has early code to do this, or at least 
ideas on how to do it.

I made a promise to you, to do it at the block layer, and I intend to 
keep my promise.  :)  It just takes years to get there.  The two main 
reasons for using SCSI were/are:

* provides a bunch of useful _generic_ infrastructure

* has a very high Just Works(tm) value for distro installers and users, 
where code already exists for /dev/sdX.  I learned the hard way with 
drivers/block/sx8.c that adding a new block device involves coordination 
with multiple distros :(

I dream of a /dev/disk, perhaps reusing and expanding /dev/sdX's block 
majors, but that may be unrealistic.

	Jeff


  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-17 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-17  4:46 [PATCH] libata: fix broken Kconfig setup Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 11:10 ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-10-17 11:20   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 15:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 15:32   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 15:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 16:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 16:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 16:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 17:11             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 17:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 17:38                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2005-10-19 11:49                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-10-19 16:02                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-10-17 17:01           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-18 11:15             ` Sergey Vlasov
2005-10-18 20:56               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 17:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-17 17:22           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 16:52   ` Jesse Barnes
2005-10-17 17:03     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-17 17:06       ` Jesse Barnes
2005-10-17 17:16         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-20 14:14         ` Alan Cox
2005-10-20 16:45           ` Jesse Barnes

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