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From: Philippe Gerum <rpm@xenomai.org>
To: Jan Kiszka <kiszka@domain.hid>
Cc: xenomai-core <xenomai@xenomai.org>
Subject: Re: [Xenomai-core] [RFC] support for sharing IRQs
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:08:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43675AB8.8000109@domain.hid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <436680D5.4010105@domain.hid>

Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
> 
>>On Monday 31 October 2005 16:04, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It seems to me now, that some parts of the hal will be involved
>>>>(rthal_irq_request/release()) since the nucleus itself doesn't keep track
>>>>of registered irqs.
>>>
>>>That's true. And it also raises another question to me: why do we have
>>>those two different IRQ models?
>>>
>>>The HAL only one handler per IRQ which get called with the triggering
>>>IRQ number. That handler will call the nucleus with an attached cookie.
>>>And on the other side is the nucleus which works with a xnintr_t per
>>>IRQ. The xnintr_irq_handler() deals with things like re-enabling IRQs,
>>>rescheduling, etc.
>>>
>>>I'm asking as this abstraction adds one trampoline call (at HAL level),
>>>thus may lead to more I-cache misses. Isn't it worth considering some
>>>HAL mechanisms based on more #defines and static inlines in this regard?
>>
>>
>>Let's take a look at what we have got currently:
>>
>>[1] 	ipipe_domain::irqs[IPIPE_NR_IRQS]	[ADEOS-IPIPE]
>>
>>the handler is defined as void (*handler)(unsigned irq);
>>
>>in our case, this is rthal_irq_trampoline() [2] , but can be different for 
>>some other cases;
>>
>>[2] 	rthal_irq_trampoline()				[HAL]
>>
>>struct rthal_realtime_irq[IPIPE_NR_IRQS]
>>
>>the handler is defined as void (*handler)(unsigned irq, void *cookie);
>>
>>this one normally does a simple thing, just calls xnintr_irq_handler() [3] as 
>>you have mentioned before.
>>
>>[3] 	xnintr_irq_handler()				[nucleus]
>> 
>>this routine calls a certain user's ISR as well as handles some 
>>nucleus-specific chores (re-scheduling, etc.)
>>
>>[4]	user's ISR						[user driver]
>>
>>does user-specific things
>>
>>Well, [3] is necessary anyway since some nucleus-related chores must be done 
>>and this is a correct layer for that (e.g. [2] knows nothing about 
>>scheduling).
>>
>>What can be theoretically merged is [1] + [2] (errr... I said theoretically, 
>>it's still not the case to kill me for just having said that :o). To this 
>>end, ipipe_domain should be extended in order to contain all the fields of 
>>[2]::struct rthal_realtime_irq (at least, handler(irq, cookie) + cookie).
>>btw, ipipe_domain::irqs may even contain a pointer to the slightly modified 
>>xnintr_t structure (which is really e.g. a circular list) that may be passed 
>>as "cockie" to the xnintr_irq_handler().
>>
>>The analogy is irq_desc_t vs. irqaction structures in Linux.
>>
>>This way, xnintr_irq_handler() can be called from adeos-ipipe layer directly 
>>without the [2] layer.
>>
>>But that change looks quite invasive to me so far since 
>>ipipe_domain::irqs::handler(irq - with a single parameter) is used all over 
>>the map.
>>
>>In our case, the relation between xnintr_irq_handler() and 
>>rthal_irq_trampoline() is 1:1. The first one does much more things that the 
>>second one which is really almost a pure redirection layer.
>>Hopefully, xnintr_irq_handler() is i-cache-hot as long as possible under high 
>>irq load. In this case, I guess, rthal_irq_trampoline() will be in cache as 
>>well (since it's really small) and the overhead is only about having one 
>>array indexing op. and issuing a call via a pointer to the function 
>>(xnintr_irq_handler() in our case).
>>Do you think that really gives a significant overhead? Well, maybe so. I'm not 
>>a profie here anyway...
>>
> 
> 
> ...compared to the usefulness I still have to understand - yes.
> 
> Other option: what about merging [2] into [3], i.e. let
> xnintr_irq_handler deal with the translation IRQ number -> cookie?
> 

That's an option, yes. The other one being to teach Adeos to pass an additional 
cookie, but in such a case, only the i-pipe series would be upgraded to allow 
that, which would be a bit rude to people still currently relying on the legacy 
oldgen patches for running Xenomai. This said, at some point in time, upgrading 
will be necessary though.

> Philippe, I guess your wisdom is required here. Are we missing some
> important point in your design right now?
> 

Mmm, for the wisdom thing, please see there: 
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

For the design issue, I agree that the initial trampoline is just a waste of 
cache lines and cycles. The only thing to keep in mind is to preserve a sensible 
layering so that the whole thing is still able to run over the event-driven 
simulation engine we have, but AFAICS, fixing the xnarch layer everywhere would 
grant that.

> Jan
> 
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-- 

Philippe.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-01 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-31 12:54 [Xenomai-core] [RFC] support for sharing IRQs Jan Kiszka
2005-10-31 14:29 ` Dmitry Adamushko
2005-10-31 15:04   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-10-31 20:21     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2005-10-31 20:38       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-10-31 21:02         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2005-11-01  9:49           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-11-01 11:46             ` Dmitry Adamushko
2005-11-01 12:08         ` Philippe Gerum [this message]
2005-11-01 11:58       ` Philippe Gerum
2005-11-01 12:05         ` Jan Kiszka
2005-11-01 13:31         ` Dmitry Adamushko
2005-11-01 14:22           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-11-01 17:29             ` Philippe Gerum
2005-11-01 23:21               ` Bernard Dautrevaux
2005-11-02 14:18                 ` Philippe Gerum
2005-11-03  1:24                   ` [Xenomai-core] LTT support on Xenomai (was part of support for sharing IRQs) Bernard Dautrevaux
2005-11-02 13:18               ` [Xenomai-core] [RFC] support for sharing IRQs Dmitry Adamushko
2005-11-02 14:04                 ` Jan Kiszka
2005-11-01 11:49     ` Philippe Gerum
2005-11-01 11:40   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-11-01 11:54     ` Jan Kiszka

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