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From: David Liontooth <liontooth@cogweb.net>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:45:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43E77D35.1040905@cogweb.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.62.0602061105300.14030@shaka.acc.umu.se>

Mattias Wadenstein wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, David Liontooth wrote:
>
>> In designing an archival system, we're trying to find data on when it
>> pays to power or spin the drives down versus keeping them running.
>
> Hitachi claims "5 years (Surface temperature of HDA is 45°C or less)
> Life of the drive does not change in the case that the drive is used
> intermittently." for their ultrastar 10K300 drives. I suspect that the
> best estimates you're going to get is from the manufacturers, if you
> can find the right documents (OEM specifications, not marketing blurbs).

"Intermittent" may assume the drive is powered on and in regular use and
may simply be a claim that spindle drive components are designed to fail
simultaneously with disk platter and head motor components. 

Konstantin's observation that "disk die about evenly from 3 causes: no
spinning (dead spindle motor power electronics), heads do not move (dead
head motor power electronics), or spontaneusly developing bad sectors
(disk platter contamination?)" is consistent with a rational goal of
manufacturing components with similar lifetimes under normal use. 

> For their deskstar (sata/pata) drives I didn't find life time
> estimates beyond 50000 start-stop-cycles.

If components are in fact manufactured to fail simultaneously under
normal use (including a dozen or two start-stop cycles a day), then
taking the drive off-line for more than a few hours should
unproblematically extend its life.

Appreciate all the good advice and references. While we have to rely on
specifications rather than actual long-term tests, this should still
move us in the right direction. One of the problems with creating a
digital archive is that the technology has no archival history. We know
acid-free paper lasts millennia; how long do modern hard drives last in
cold storage?  To some people's horror, we now know home-made CDs last a
couple of years.

Dave






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  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-06 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-02  5:59 RAID 16? David Liontooth
2006-02-02  6:03 ` Neil Brown
2006-02-02  8:34 ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 16:17 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 16:28   ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-02 16:54     ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 20:24       ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 21:18       ` J. Ryan Earl
2006-02-02 21:29         ` Andy Smith
2006-02-02 22:38         ` Konstantin Olchanski
2006-02-03  2:31           ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-02-03  2:54         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-02 18:42   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2006-02-02 20:34     ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-03  0:20     ` Guy
2006-02-03  0:59       ` David Liontooth
2006-02-02 16:44 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2006-02-03  9:08   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-02-03  2:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-05 23:42   ` Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running David Liontooth
2006-02-06  3:57     ` Konstantin Olchanski
2006-02-06  5:25       ` Patrik Jonsson
2006-02-06  4:35     ` Richard Scobie
2006-02-06 10:09     ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-06 16:45       ` David Liontooth [this message]
2006-02-06 17:12         ` Francois Barre
2006-02-07  8:44           ` Hans Kristian Rosbach
2006-02-07 19:18           ` Neil Bortnak
2006-02-06 19:22     ` Brad Dameron
2006-02-06 21:15     ` Dan Stromberg
2009-09-20 19:44   ` RAID 16? Matthias Urlichs

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