hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Gilles PIÉTRI]

Hi !

I've been reading about the CVS version of the hda-intel allowing to use a
"test" model. I was unable to listen to any sounds neither with the debian
version of alsa, nor with the developpment one. Driver was loading, but I
couldn't hear anything.
Using the CVS version, using the test model, I'm able to make some sound
getting out through the "Line out" jack, identified in alsamixer by
"LOUT1". LOUT1 acts also on the microphone jack : I can hear the sound in
mono by the mic jack when it's active !
However, I can't hear anything from the headphone jack, and the same goes
for the internal speakers, whatever strange things I try with the mixer.
I haven't tried to input anything, as I would like the output to work first.

I'm available by mail or an IRC if you tell me where, to go on testing if
you are interested in this !

Thanks for your job !

Gilou



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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Rimas Kudelis]

Hi Gilou,

The Acer fix is not in the CVS yet, hence you have to manually add a few
lines to the code before compiling it.

Rimas


Gilles PIÉTRI wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I've been reading about the CVS version of the hda-intel allowing to use a
> "test" model. I was unable to listen to any sounds neither with the debian
> version of alsa, nor with the developpment one. Driver was loading, but I
> couldn't hear anything.
> Using the CVS version, using the test model, I'm able to make some sound
> getting out through the "Line out" jack, identified in alsamixer by
> "LOUT1". LOUT1 acts also on the microphone jack : I can hear the sound in
> mono by the mic jack when it's active !
> However, I can't hear anything from the headphone jack, and the same goes
> for the internal speakers, whatever strange things I try with the mixer.
> I haven't tried to input anything, as I would like the output to work first.
>
> I'm available by mail or an IRC if you tell me where, to go on testing if
> you are interested in this !
>
> Thanks for your job !
>
> Gilou



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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Jonathan Woithe]

Hi Gilou

> I've been reading about the CVS version of the hda-intel allowing to use a
> "test" model. ... Using the CVS version, using the test model, I'm able to
> make some sound getting out through the "Line out" jack, identified in
> alsamixer by "LOUT1". LOUT1 acts also on the microphone jack : I can hear
> the sound in mono by the mic jack when it's active ! However, I can't hear
> anything from the headphone jack, and the same goes for the internal
> speakers, whatever strange things I try with the mixer. I haven't tried to
> input anything, as I would like the output to work first.

Over the weekend there have been major developments in this regard, to the
point that at least some Acers can make noise from the internal speaker and
the headphone jack.  I am preparing a series of ALC260 consolidation patches
now which will include the initial implementation of an "acer" model.  This
should be posted tomorrow.  It would be good if you could test these patches
with your Acer and let us know how it goes.

If it *does* help, it would be good to know the make/model of your laptop
and the PCI IDs of your laptop's sound system.  The latter are reported via
lspci. Refer to a post against bug 1618 by me earlier today for the full
details on getting these numbers.

Regards
  jonathan


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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Gilles PIÉTRI]

Le lundi 27 février 2006 à 11:42 +1030, Jonathan Woithe a écrit :
> Hi Gilou
> 
> > I've been reading about the CVS version of the hda-intel allowing to use a
> > "test" model. ... Using the CVS version, using the test model, I'm able to
> > make some sound getting out through the "Line out" jack, identified in
> > alsamixer by "LOUT1". LOUT1 acts also on the microphone jack : I can hear
> > the sound in mono by the mic jack when it's active ! However, I can't hear
> > anything from the headphone jack, and the same goes for the internal
> > speakers, whatever strange things I try with the mixer. I haven't tried to
> > input anything, as I would like the output to work first.
> 
> Over the weekend there have been major developments in this regard, to the
> point that at least some Acers can make noise from the internal speaker and
> the headphone jack.  I am preparing a series of ALC260 consolidation patches
> now which will include the initial implementation of an "acer" model.  This
> should be posted tomorrow.  It would be good if you could test these patches
> with your Acer and let us know how it goes.
> 
> If it *does* help, it would be good to know the make/model of your laptop
> and the PCI IDs of your laptop's sound system.  The latter are reported via
> lspci. Refer to a post against bug 1618 by me earlier today for the full
> details on getting these numbers.
> 
> Regards
>   jonathan

Hi, and thanks for your answer !

I followed Rimas Kudelis' advice, and I applied the patch on the bug
report about the ALC260, and it just works smoothly.

Thanks for your work guys !

Gilou



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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Jonathan Woithe]

Hi Gilou

> > Over the weekend there have been major developments in this regard, to the
> > point that at least some Acers can make noise from the internal speaker and
> > the headphone jack.  I am preparing a series of ALC260 consolidation patches
> > now which will include the initial implementation of an "acer" model.  This
> > should be posted tomorrow.  It would be good if you could test these patches
> > with your Acer and let us know how it goes.
> > 
> > If it *does* help, it would be good to know the make/model of your laptop
> > and the PCI IDs of your laptop's sound system.  The latter are reported via
> > lspci. Refer to a post against bug 1618 by me earlier today for the full
> > details on getting these numbers.
> 
> Hi, and thanks for your answer !
> 
> I followed Rimas Kudelis' advice, and I applied the patch on the bug
> report about the ALC260, and it just works smoothly.

That's good to know.  If you can get us the subsystem IDs from your laptop
as described by myself in a post under bug 1618 that would be good.

Note that the patch as ultimately submitted to alsa (as part of a 7-patch
series earlier today) has evolved slightly since the one posted to bug
report 1618.  Once the latest ALC260 patches have been merged to CVS it
would be good if you could test the result to make sure nothing's been
broken for you in the transition.

Regards
  jonathan


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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Gilles PIÉTRI]

Le Mar 28 février 2006 2:59, Gilles PIÉTRI a écrit :
[snip]
> The subsystem ID is  1025:008f
>
> However, I must confess that I haven't checked that the labels of the
> mixer match perfectly the jack they indicate, being too happy to have
> sound while playing (almost) randomly with the mixer. I'll do that when I
> have some time !
>
>> Note that the patch as ultimately submitted to alsa (as part of a
>> 7-patch
>> series earlier today) has evolved slightly since the one posted to bug
>> report 1618.  Once the latest ALC260 patches have been merged to CVS it
>> would be good if you could test the result to make sure nothing's been
>> broken for you in the transition.
>>
>
> OK, then I'll probably use the CVS version to make my label tests once the
> CVS is up to date, and I'll tell you about it.
>

Hi again !
I've updated to CVS, and I think I lost a few things :
Using switches on the previous "test" version, I could switch the line on,
and the speakers/headphone off (I don't remember how, but I could), I
can't do that anymore.
I also have a problem with the CD, but I'm not sure it's alsa related :
xmms plays CD silently (no output at all, does not show any sound activity
while playing), whereas VLC can play CDs fine, but I think it does not use
ALSA (though configured to output on ALSA), because the CD switch has no
effect on it.

I'm unable to control the line output, the "Line" control does nothing for
the output (it does on input, so maybe it's intended for input only ?). I
don't remember being able to control the line output though, so maybe am I
dreaming ;)

Regards,
Gilou



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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Rimas Kudelis]

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Hello, Gilles,

>> The subsystem ID is  1025:008f
>>     
> I've updated to CVS, and I think I lost a few things :
> Using switches on the previous "test" version, I could switch the line on,
> and the speakers/headphone off (I don't remember how, but I could), I
> can't do that anymore.
>   
Do you still load the module with "model=test" option? If you do, I 
don't quite understand the problems but well, nevermind. Try loading it 
with a "model=acer" option. You should get much less controls - just 
those that work (or should work) on an Acer notebook. Set the "Line 
jack" control to Line In, and the "Mic jack" control to Mic 50pc. Unmute 
and increase volume in all channels. Try playing some audio file then. 
If you hear it (the sound should now be redirected to the internal 
speakers or the headphone jack, if there's anything plugged in). If it 
works, try loading the module without any parameters and see if your 
notebook is autodetected, as it should be.


> I also have a problem with the CD, but I'm not sure it's alsa related :
> xmms plays CD silently (no output at all, does not show any sound activity
> while playing), whereas VLC can play CDs fine, but I think it does not use
> ALSA (though configured to output on ALSA), because the CD switch has no
> effect on it.
>   
This Audio CD problem has been discussed on the list. I have a suspicion 
that maybe Acers are expecting your software to do Audio CD decoding (as 
opposed to the CD drive itself). If you load the module with 
"model=acer" parameter, you'll see the CD volume control in the mixer. 
Be aware that it does NOT affect CD playback volume (yet?), so don't get 
stressed about it. ;)

> I'm unable to control the line output, the "Line" control does nothing for
> the output (it does on input, so maybe it's intended for input only ?).
Yes. All volume switches only affect how a certain channel is 
preamplified before going to the mixer, not after leaving it. Master 
(output) volume can only be controlled by LOUT1 and LOUT2 (where 
applicable) controls. In "acer" model, LOUT1 is called "Master".

> I don't remember being able to control the line output though, so maybe am I
> dreaming ;)
Probably...

One last thing (just not to miss a silly thing): if you edited the 
patch_realtek.c previously, you should rename/delete, and then retrieve 
a fresh copy of it from the CVS, because simple "cvs update" won't 
retrieve it for you if you have edited it before.

best regards,
RQ


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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Gilles PIÉTRI]

Le Ven 3 mars 2006 13:52, Rimas Kudelis a écrit :
> Hello, Gilles,
>
>>> The subsystem ID is  1025:008f
>>>
>> I've updated to CVS, and I think I lost a few things :
>> Using switches on the previous "test" version, I could switch the line
>> on,
>> and the speakers/headphone off (I don't remember how, but I could), I
>> can't do that anymore.
>>
> Do you still load the module with "model=test" option? If you do, I
> don't quite understand the problems but well, nevermind. Try loading it
> with a "model=acer" option. You should get much less controls - just
> those that work (or should work) on an Acer notebook. Set the "Line
> jack" control to Line In, and the "Mic jack" control to Mic 50pc. Unmute
> and increase volume in all channels. Try playing some audio file then.
> If you hear it (the sound should now be redirected to the internal
> speakers or the headphone jack, if there's anything plugged in). If it
> works, try loading the module without any parameters and see if your
> notebook is autodetected, as it should be.

Well I may have been not clear enough, sorry.
When I used the model=test thing, on the previous version with the old
patch, I had a lot of controls I could play with, lot of them inactive or
weird, and one thing I managed to do was to enable the line out, while
disabling the internal speakers / headphone. Now with the new version, I
can't do that anymore. So maybe something was disabled and could still
bring a "feature". This is not THE important thing, but it could be nice
to have it if it's possible.
My notebook is autodected or so do I think, how can I be sure ? (it
ignores the model=xxx things, and dmesg does not tell me about the model
the module uses, though I remember seeing this info..

>
>
>> I also have a problem with the CD, but I'm not sure it's alsa related :
>> xmms plays CD silently (no output at all, does not show any sound
>> activity
>> while playing), whereas VLC can play CDs fine, but I think it does not
>> use
>> ALSA (though configured to output on ALSA), because the CD switch has no
>> effect on it.
>>
> This Audio CD problem has been discussed on the list. I have a suspicion
> that maybe Acers are expecting your software to do Audio CD decoding (as
> opposed to the CD drive itself). If you load the module with
> "model=acer" parameter, you'll see the CD volume control in the mixer.
> Be aware that it does NOT affect CD playback volume (yet?), so don't get
> stressed about it. ;)

OK, not a big deal though, I don't have that much CDs to play ;)

[snip]
> One last thing (just not to miss a silly thing): if you edited the
> patch_realtek.c previously, you should rename/delete, and then retrieve
> a fresh copy of it from the CVS, because simple "cvs update" won't
> retrieve it for you if you have edited it before.
>

No problem, it was in another directory, and the patch was properly
updated ;)

Gilou



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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Rimas Kudelis]

Hi,

>>>> The subsystem ID is  1025:008f
>>>>
>>> I've updated to CVS, and I think I lost a few things :
>>> Using switches on the previous "test" version, I could switch the line
>>> on,
>>> and the speakers/headphone off (I don't remember how, but I could), I
>>> can't do that anymore.
>>>
>> Do you still load the module with "model=test" option? If you do, I
>> don't quite understand the problems but well, nevermind. Try loading it
>> with a "model=acer" option. You should get much less controls - just
>> those that work (or should work) on an Acer notebook. Set the "Line
>> jack" control to Line In, and the "Mic jack" control to Mic 50pc. Unmute
>> and increase volume in all channels. Try playing some audio file then.
>> If you hear it (the sound should now be redirected to the internal
>> speakers or the headphone jack, if there's anything plugged in). If it
>> works, try loading the module without any parameters and see if your
>> notebook is autodetected, as it should be.
> 
> Well I may have been not clear enough, sorry.
> When I used the model=test thing, on the previous version with the old
> patch, I had a lot of controls I could play with, lot of them inactive or
> weird, and one thing I managed to do was to enable the line out, while
> disabling the internal speakers / headphone. Now with the new version, I
> can't do that anymore. So maybe something was disabled and could still
> bring a "feature". This is not THE important thing, but it could be nice
> to have it if it's possible.

The fact is that Acer's speakers/headphone never worked with the test 
model. ;) They DO work now though, as the test model mixer has 
acquired more controls.


> My notebook is autodected or so do I think, how can I be sure ? (it
> ignores the model=xxx things, and dmesg does not tell me about the model
> the module uses, though I remember seeing this info..

Well basically, if you get the internal speakers/hp jack to work, then 
it's autodetected. If you don't, it's not. Currently, no other model 
supplies initialization strings suitable for Acer. I don't know any 
other way to know which model has been loaded (I'd like to, though)...

BTW, one more thing to consider if you don't get the sound working is 
to rename/delete the mixer settings file (/var/lib/alsa/asound.state 
on Ubuntu) and then to cold-reboot the box (by holding the power 
button for a few seconds). After rebooting, the box should boot with 
the default settings for your model (which should be "acer"). At least 
for me, after Ubuntu automagically unmuted some channels and raised 
volume, the sound worked right out of the box.


>>> I also have a problem with the CD, but I'm not sure it's alsa related :
>>> xmms plays CD silently (no output at all, does not show any sound
>>> activity
>>> while playing), whereas VLC can play CDs fine, but I think it does not
>>> use
>>> ALSA (though configured to output on ALSA), because the CD switch has no
>>> effect on it.
>>>
>> This Audio CD problem has been discussed on the list. I have a suspicion
>> that maybe Acers are expecting your software to do Audio CD decoding (as
>> opposed to the CD drive itself). If you load the module with
>> "model=acer" parameter, you'll see the CD volume control in the mixer.
>> Be aware that it does NOT affect CD playback volume (yet?), so don't get
>> stressed about it. ;)
> 
> OK, not a big deal though, I don't have that much CDs to play ;)

You can still play them with VLC/Gnome CD player/Sound Juicer/whatever...


>> One last thing (just not to miss a silly thing): if you edited the
>> patch_realtek.c previously, you should rename/delete, and then retrieve
>> a fresh copy of it from the CVS, because simple "cvs update" won't
>> retrieve it for you if you have edited it before.
> 
> No problem, it was in another directory, and the patch was properly
> updated ;)

I hope it was.

see ya,
RQ


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Re: hda-intel and Acer TravelMate 4062 LMi

[Gilles PIÉTRI]

Le Mar 28 février 2006 2:32, Jonathan Woithe a écrit :
> Hi Gilou
>
>> > Over the weekend there have been major developments in this regard, to
>> the
>> > point that at least some Acers can make noise from the internal
>> speaker and
>> > the headphone jack.  I am preparing a series of ALC260 consolidation
>> patches
>> > now which will include the initial implementation of an "acer" model.
>> This
>> > should be posted tomorrow.  It would be good if you could test these
>> patches
>> > with your Acer and let us know how it goes.
>> >
>> > If it *does* help, it would be good to know the make/model of your
>> laptop
>> > and the PCI IDs of your laptop's sound system.  The latter are
>> reported via
>> > lspci. Refer to a post against bug 1618 by me earlier today for the
>> full
>> > details on getting these numbers.
>>
>> Hi, and thanks for your answer !
>>
>> I followed Rimas Kudelis' advice, and I applied the patch on the bug
report about the ALC260, and it just works smoothly.
>
> That's good to know.  If you can get us the subsystem IDs from your
laptop as described by myself in a post under bug 1618 that would be
good.

The subsystem ID is  1025:008f

However, I must confess that I haven't checked that the labels of the
mixer match perfectly the jack they indicate, being too happy to have
sound while playing (almost) randomly with the mixer. I'll do that when I
have some time !

> Note that the patch as ultimately submitted to alsa (as part of a
7-patch series earlier today) has evolved slightly since the one posted
to bug report 1618.  Once the latest ALC260 patches have been merged to
CVS it would be good if you could test the result to make sure nothing's
been broken for you in the transition.
>

OK, then I'll probably use the CVS version to make my label tests once the
CVS is up to date, and I'll tell you about it.

Gilou



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