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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@domain.hid>
To: Anders Blomdell <anders.blomdell@domain.hid>
Cc: xenomai-core <xenomai@xenomai.org>
Subject: Re: [Xenomai-core] Synchronising TSC and periodic timer
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 09:14:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4417CCD3.1070905@domain.hid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4417C74D.3060203@domain.hid>

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Anders Blomdell wrote:
> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> for those who haven't followed the endless "RTDM and Timer functions"
>>> thread: we are currently discussing a way to provide high-resolution
>>> timestamps in periodic mode for RTDM users. It was suggested to use the
>>> TSC for this, but I noted that this source will not be in sync with the
>>> periodic system timer and may even be out of sync across multiple CPUs.
>>>
>>> A straight-forward approach to overcome this might be to record the
>>> current TSC value together with the current jiffies in
>>> xntimer_do_tick_periodic(). This tuple (per CPU) could then be provided
>>> to skin implementers in order to let them offer a high-resolution
>>> timestamp source even in periodic mode. Hmm, sounds too simple actually,
>>> so I'm waiting now for someone pointing out the pitfalls.
>>
>>
>> Likely too simple: The periodic IRQ seems to pop up on every CPU so that
>> the TSC could be recorded, but will this happen synchronously? At least
>> we will see (IRQ) jitters, and those jitters could already create in the
>> single-CPU case a non-monotonic clock...
> Returning a struct with { jiffies, cpu#, tsc, clockscaling, ... } and
> routines to compare ( lt | equal | gt | unordered ) and calculate
> differences { diff, accuracy }. And then people (of course) will send
> them over the network and compare items emanating from different systems!
> 

Well, I think it's more obvious that timestamps taken on box A will not
necessarily match timestamps of box B. Moreover, tasks on box A will not
that often get migrated automatically to box B, while this can happen
inside SMP boxes if you do not explicitly bind to a certain CPU.

For the local usage I have this scheme in mind:

local_irqs_off();
read_cpu_tsc();
get_last_cpu_tsc_offset();
local_irqs_on();
calc_corrected_time();

So, nothing has to be exported to the skin user.

Or did I misunderstand what you wanted to express?

Jan


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-15  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-14 20:45 [Xenomai-core] Synchronising TSC and periodic timer Jan Kiszka
2006-03-15  7:24 ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]   ` <4417C74D.3060203@domain.hid>
2006-03-15  8:14     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2006-03-15 12:59   ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-15 13:26     ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2006-03-15 22:58       ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-20 11:48         ` Jan Kiszka
2006-03-20 13:26           ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-20 14:42             ` Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
2006-03-20 16:51               ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-20 19:27                 ` Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
2006-03-21  0:11                   ` Jan Kiszka
2006-03-21  3:11                     ` Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
2006-03-20 14:46             ` Jan Kiszka
2006-03-21 12:44               ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-24 13:14                 ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]             ` <200603201137.12548.rosenfeld@domain.hid>
2006-03-20 15:23               ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-20 19:01                 ` Rodrigo Rosenfeld Rosas
2006-03-21 17:57                   ` Philippe Gerum
2006-03-15 13:34   ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2006-03-15 16:50     ` Jan Kiszka
2006-03-16 15:26       ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2006-03-17  1:16         ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found] <1CFEB358338412458B21FAA0D78FE86D02CABF1C@rennsmail02.eu.thmulti.com>
2006-03-15 17:20 ` Jan Kiszka

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