From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Foldiak Subject: funding - The Rational Street Performer Protocol Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:43:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Hans Reiser Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com Hans, Here is an interesting idea. Could it be a possible model for funding software development? http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/rspp What do you think? Peter From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Lex Lyamin" Subject: Re: funding - The Rational Street Performer Protocol Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:51:06 +0400 Message-ID: <80294dc60603260151v509c7220rd8700615ee5f7356@mail.gmail.com> References: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3971_12012708.1143366666261" Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com Sender: melanor9@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> List-Id: To: Peter Foldiak Cc: Hans Reiser , reiserfs-list@namesys.com ------=_Part_3971_12012708.1143366666261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In a Soviet Russia.... On 3/26/06, Peter Foldiak wrote: > > Hans, > Here is an interesting idea. Could it be a possible model for funding > software development? > > http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/rspp > > What do you think? > Peter idea is good, now if only we could come up with implementation, which looks like it will only work with with some liquid nitorgen cooling, nonetheless = ( impossible ). ------=_Part_3971_12012708.1143366666261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In a Soviet Russia....  

On 3/26/06, Peter Foldiak <Peter.Foldiak@st-andrews.ac.uk&= gt; wrote:
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------=_Part_3971_12012708.1143366666261-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Foldiak Subject: Re: funding - The Rational Street Performer Protocol Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 12:17:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4426785E.8060600@st-andrews.ac.uk> References: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> <80294dc60603260151v509c7220rd8700615ee5f7356@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <80294dc60603260151v509c7220rd8700615ee5f7356@mail.gmail.com> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: Lex Lyamin Cc: Hans Reiser , reiserfs-list@namesys.com Lex Lyamin wrote: > > http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/rspp > > > idea is good, now if only we could come up with implementation, which > looks like it will only work with with some liquid nitorgen cooling, > nonetheless ( impossible ). Here is a Python implementation for a (piecewise-linear monotonic) pledge function http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh-files/rspp/rspp.py (calculation of the maximal sum). Here is another: http://thecircle.org.au/compute_contribution.py But the main issue is explaining the idea, advertising and getting the pledges, not the calculation. A web page would help but just putting up a web page is not enough, it needs a lot of work trying to convince parties who may benefit that it makes sense for them (e.g. Linux distributors). (A much simpler implementation (and idea) is PledgeBank http://www.pledgebank.com/ with much less flexibility. The advantage is that the site already exists.) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: funding - The Rational Street Performer Protocol Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:36:03 -0800 Message-ID: <44283093.4020201@namesys.com> References: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Foldiak Cc: Reiserfs mail-list Peter Foldiak wrote: > Hans, > Here is an interesting idea. Could it be a possible model for funding > software development? > > http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/rspp > > What do you think? > Peter > > > Yes, but it requires time to pursue these things, and sadly, a lot of them don't pan out. Probably I should try it on our donations page, but..... Hans From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Hans Reiser Subject: Re: funding - The Rational Street Performer Protocol Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 10:40:16 -0800 Message-ID: <44283190.2040306@namesys.com> References: <4425D58C.3080100@st-andrews.ac.uk> <80294dc60603260151v509c7220rd8700615ee5f7356@mail.gmail.com> <4426785E.8060600@st-andrews.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Errors-To: flx@namesys.com In-Reply-To: <4426785E.8060600@st-andrews.ac.uk> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Foldiak Cc: Lex Lyamin , reiserfs-list@namesys.com Peter Foldiak wrote: > Lex Lyamin wrote: > >> >> http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/rspp >> >> >> idea is good, now if only we could come up with implementation, which >> looks like it will only work with with some liquid nitorgen cooling, >> nonetheless ( impossible ). > > Here is a Python implementation for a (piecewise-linear monotonic) > pledge function > http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh-files/rspp/rspp.py > (calculation of the maximal sum). > Here is another: > http://thecircle.org.au/compute_contribution.py > > But the main issue is explaining the idea, advertising and getting the > pledges, not the calculation. > A web page would help but just putting up a web page is not enough, it > needs a lot of work trying to convince parties who may benefit that it > makes sense for them (e.g. Linux distributors). > > (A much simpler implementation (and idea) is PledgeBank > http://www.pledgebank.com/ > with much less flexibility. The advantage is that the site already > exists.) > > > > > > > > I would be happy to have a web page that does this. Right now though I personally am focusing on our consulting contract which needs me to put in as many hours as possible so people can be paid. A lot of people have said that if we had a page that listed who all the donors are with the amount of the donation, it would do a lot to increase donations. Flx, if you could implement that it would be great. If it did this fancier pledge stuff as well, all the better. When you have the page ready, I will spend an hour putting together some features that could exist if there was funding. Hans