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From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@novell.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: grundig <grundig@teleline.es>,
	arjan@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@sous-sol.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:32:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4446E4AE.1090901@novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604200138.00857.ak@suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Thursday 20 April 2006 01:00, grundig wrote:
>   
>> From my user POV it seems
>> really weird that a feature forbids you from using another unrelated feature
>>     
> e.g. using a firewall usually prevents some applications
> from working. Or using hugepages is not compatible with a lot of other VM
> features. Or some locking doesn't work over NFS.
>   
Exactly. The basic function of an access control system is to block
access, selectively. So it is quite natural for AppArmor, and SELinux,
to block access to various kernel features at various times. Because
AppArmor is fundamentally name-based access control, changes to the name
space affect AppArmor, and thus access to changing the name space must
be managed.

Our controls on changing the name space have rather poor granularity at
the moment. We hope to improve that over time, and especially if LSM
evolves to permit it. This is ok, because as Andi pointed out, there are
currently few applications using name spaces, so we have time to improve
the granularity.

Crispin
-- 
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.                      http://crispincowan.com/~crispin/
Director of Software Engineering, Novell  http://novell.com


  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-20  1:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 174+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-19 17:49 [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/11] security: AppArmor - Integrate into kbuild Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:57   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:10     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:35   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 19:55   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-19 20:52     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/11] security: AppArmor - Core headers Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:01   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 17:43     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/11] security: AppArmor - LSM interface Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:05   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/11] security: AppArmor - Core access controls Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:10   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 18:57     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 23:05       ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:18         ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-19 23:21           ` Rik van Riel
2006-04-19 23:50             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 12:33       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:27         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 17:39     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 19:32   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 19:50   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  9:40   ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 11:40     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 21:39       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/11] security: AppArmor - Filesystem Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:13   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-19 17:49 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/11] security: AppArmor - Userspace interface Tony Jones
2006-04-20 21:39   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-21 18:01     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 18:41       ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/11] security: AppArmor - Misc (capabilities, data structures) Tony Jones
2006-04-19 18:16   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/11] security: AppArmor - Pathname matching submodule Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/11] security: AppArmor - Audit changes Tony Jones
2006-04-21 21:21   ` Amy Griffis
2006-04-22  0:13     ` Steve Grubb
2006-04-22  0:13       ` Steve Grubb
2006-04-22  0:19       ` Tony Jones
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] security: AppArmor - Add flags to d_path Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20  5:36     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20  8:26       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 16:43         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 17:04           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 17:50             ` Tony Jones
2006-04-21 12:16               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 13:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-19 17:50 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] security: AppArmor - Export namespace semaphore Tony Jones
2006-04-19 22:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 12:39   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:46     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 12:05       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 13:21         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 12:48           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:58             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 22:11             ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 23:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-21  1:29                 ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-21  2:09                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21  5:10                     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-23 12:11                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-21 14:02               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 19:45           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:16             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 20:22             ` James Morris
2006-04-20 21:50     ` Linda Walsh
2006-04-20 21:56       ` Al Viro
2006-04-20 23:54         ` James Morris
2006-04-21 13:59       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 18:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 22:32   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-19 23:00     ` grundig
2006-04-19 23:38       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20  1:32         ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2006-04-20 13:00           ` grundig
2006-04-20 13:09             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:15               ` Al Viro
2006-04-21  0:11               ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 13:01             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-20  8:42     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-20 19:26       ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 19:27       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 12:18         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 17:30           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-21 18:07             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 20:35                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 20:44                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 21:38                   ` Dave Neuer
2006-04-22 10:01                     ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  4:18               ` Neil Brown
2006-04-24  7:03                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-24 13:04                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-24 13:43                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 21:07                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24 23:52                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25  6:22                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:45                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:52                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 17:43                           ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-25 18:34                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 18:48                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:56                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  4:25                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25  7:50                       ` James Morris
2006-04-25 12:46                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-04-25 15:06                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:00                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-25 16:21                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-26  3:42                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 12:15                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27  0:21                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-27 14:47                                   ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-25 17:29                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26  3:56                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-26 11:32                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:47                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  7:14                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:11                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25 19:27                   ` Seth Arnold
2006-04-24 13:11                 ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 13:26                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 13:39                     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:16                       ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-24 15:50                         ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 17:03                           ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-25 17:12                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 17:34                           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-24 13:52                     ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:09                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-24 20:45                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  8:10                   ` Neil Brown
2006-04-25  8:28                     ` Al Viro
2006-04-25 12:42                     ` James Carter
2006-04-25 12:43                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-25 14:50                         ` James Carter
2006-04-25 15:01                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 18:11                           ` Tony Jones
2006-04-25 21:25                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 17:07                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 22:15                       ` Some Concrete AppArmor Questions - was " Neil Brown
2006-04-26 23:06                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-27  4:15                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-27  6:52                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-27  7:40                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 10:17                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-27 14:42                               ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 23:44                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 15:49                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-28 16:04                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-28 21:49                                         ` James Morris
2006-04-28 16:56                                       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-27 16:03                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 22:38                                 ` Chris Wright
2006-04-28 13:00                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:43                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 17:58                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-28 11:28                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-28 11:47                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-28 12:28                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-27 11:02                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-27 11:05                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-20 11:29     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 13:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 22:32     ` Linda A. Walsh
2006-04-20 12:17 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 15:38   ` Joshua Brindle
2006-04-20 19:57   ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-21 13:34     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 12:27 ` Pavel Machek

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